MichiganCardinal Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, RedRamage said: To be fair, this is Austin's Agent making the claim, not Austin himself. Austin's agent works for Austin. Agents don't go making stories about their clients without their client's consent, and more likely without their client's request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 44 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Matt Patricia was accused, but never prosecuted, of sexual assault and he still got hired. I'm not saying it excuses Bienemy's past behavior at Colorado or means he should get hired. I do feel that Patricia more or less skated through those allegations after one cycle of news stories about it in the media. they didnt know about the patricia stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 40 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said: That is interesting, It seems to me, in my observation, that kind of thing was FAR more scandalous in 1987 than it is today. I mean, marijuana is legal in half the country and people these days have come to expect that you might have made some mistakes in your past. And example would be 1992 Bill Clinton and the scandal of "I didn't inhale" and 2008 Barack Obama saying "I did inhale, that was the point" In 1988 Laremy Tunsil smoking pot on a video probably ruins him. In 2016 the guy drafting him for the Dolphins says on national TV "I smoked pot in college too, I'm doing alright.". People are far more forgiving for a lot of behavior now than they used to be. Just don't make a bad joke about a specific group of people, even if you're a comedian who has spent a whole career being offensive for a laugh. I guess a Black guy has to be a friggin' Boy Scout to break in to the private club. youre really straining to defend eric bienemy. i'll remember that the next time you go off on how no nfl team should sign kareem hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Maybe I’m wrong here but I think the biggest reason that Bieniemy is getting left out is he’s the OC for Andy Reid and the assumption is that all of the Chiefs success is because of Reid and not Bieniemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hongbit said: Maybe I’m wrong here but I think the biggest reason that Bieniemy is getting left out is he’s the OC for Andy Reid and the assumption is that all of the Chiefs success is because of Reid and not Bieniemy. Then why do Patriot Assistants routinely get hired? It should be noted, Flores was one of Belichick's Assistant Coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, buddha said: they didnt know about the patricia stuff. Do you think if they had it would have changes Quinn's mind about hiring his buddy or that Martha would have stepped in and said we aren't hiring him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 It seems like there is a difference between one accusation where charges were dropped vs multiple run ins with the law and convictions and being involved in a alcohol, drug and sex scandal while a coach at Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Do you think if they had it would have changes Quinn's mind about hiring his buddy or that Martha would have stepped in and said we aren't hiring him? that's a good question Tater. I do tend to think if that had come out before the hire it would have made them change their plans. One thing that makes me say that is that the Det sports media is pretty captive - once he was 'our guy' they really didn't go after the story that hard. But if it had broken before the hire, they would have been much less inhibited. Edited February 3, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Do you think if they had it would have changes Quinn's mind about hiring his buddy or that Martha would have stepped in and said we aren't hiring him? 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: It seems like there is a difference between one accusation where charges were dropped vs multiple run ins with the law and convictions and being involved in a alcohol, drug and sex scandal while a coach at Colorado. i dont know if it would have changed their mind. but like mb says, there is a big difference between one unsubstantiated allegation in a case that was dropped and mutliple allegations of all types of wrongdoings. there is an issue with black coaches not being hired, eric bienemy shouldnt be the poster boy for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: Austin's agent works for Austin. Agents don't go making stories about their clients without their client's consent, and more likely without their client's request. Valid point... There's actually a link in the original story that points to another Freep.com story that has some direct quotes from Austin and he does make some comments that I considered questionable, including this: “There is no pipeline (for Black offensive coaches),” Austin said. “You know, you can count on your hand how many Black quarterback coaches, how many offensive coordinators, how many offensive line coaches in this league are people of color.” Austin is right. I looked at coaching staff for each team and recorded minorities for various offensive positions. I went purely on appearance and if it was questionable I assumed white, so there' room for error but... in terms of OC (3), OL (3), and QB (4) coaches (out of 31... Giants don't have any coaches listed except for HC) there's not many. However I think it's a bit disingenuous that Austin didn't mentioned RB (28) or WR (19) coaches. Also FWIW, if there was an offensive side coach that was also listed as Assistant Head Coach I recorded that as well... 0 white coaches were in the category but 6 black coaches were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Then why do Patriot Assistants routinely get hired? It should be noted, Flores was one of Belichick's Assistant Coaches. I think the difference is Belichick doesn’t call plays. His coordinators still do that during the game unlike Bieniemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) I think we will start to see many more ex players join the coaching ranks as the assistant money has started to skyrocket. It used to be you started on the bottom and worked their way up making next to nothing. Not as much any more especially at the college level. It’s crazy what college assistants are making these days. Since the majority of players are black, they should start to saturate the coaching ranks here in the coming years. Edited February 3, 2022 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) Jags are reportedly hiring Doug Pedersen. Down to just the Saints,Texans and Dolphins now. Edited February 4, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 White Guy Coach Bingo. Nobody has the winning card yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The Vikings probably didn't hire Harbaugh because he was too ethnic................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 If you're holding out for a minority hire this year I think Glenn with New Orleans may be the only real chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 super bowl winning coach gets hired = moar racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 hours ago, buddha said: super bowl winning coach gets hired = moar racism. Especially after the black head coach they wanted to hire turned them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I don’t think it’s racist per se that white coaches continue to be hired in a majority black league. I do think it’s a problem that needs to be addressed, and I don’t think finding reasons it’s not racist (and therefore not a problem) is helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted February 4, 2022 Author Share Posted February 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: I don’t think it’s racist per se that white coaches continue to be hired in a majority black league. I do think it’s a problem that needs to be addressed, and I don’t think finding reasons it’s not racist (and therefore not a problem) is helpful. While I mostly agree, I think it's also a problem to elude that every time a white coach gets hired it's because of racism. There's a clear issue with the Rooney rule. In theory it's a good idea, in practice I suspect that many minority coaches are really often wondering if team is only interviewing them to check the box. The spirit of the rule is to this gives minorities a chance to change minds... to get their foot in the door and convince teams that they are the guy. But in practice I'm certain that there are plenty of situations where teams are going through the motions but no matter how impressive the interview is, they'll never get the job. Look no further than Quinn hiring Patricia. There is no way anyone was going to interview so exceptionally well that Quinn didn't hire Patricia. One could argue that the mere chance to interview is worth something (practice, get your name in the media as a potential HC, maybe impress someone who'll mention it to someone else who's hiring...) but I don't know if that would out weight the negatives of feeling like you're just being used. It's the double edge sword of something like the Rooney Rule. Prior to the rule if a minority was interviewed for a job it's very likely that that candidate is being seriously considered. Now it seems like any time a minority who is interviewed people wonder: "Is he really a candidate? Is he really qualified and in the running or are they just checking the box?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I have a feeling the Rooney rule may have gotten Brad Holmes hired. He wasn't someone on the radar when the search began. All reports indicate that he impressed in the interview. Was he simply brought in as a Rooney rule interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I've think I've said this. I don't think there is OVERT racism at play here. I just think it's a disconnection. Josh McCown is the favorite for the Houston job. BASED ON WHAT? By the way, Byron Leftwich is not the only one that balked over Baalke. Tough situation for Lefty..........to have to work with someone you don't like but then it's only 1 of 32 jobs. The good for Lefty is that the team wouldn't be any worse under him. But the bad for him is that if he stays in Tampa Bay as OC, he won't have Brady running that offense anymore, so he's probably not going to look as good. I don't think Brian Daboll is going to look that good with Daniel Jones or whatever other stiff the Giants put at QB. Josh Allen made him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said: I have a feeling the Rooney rule may have gotten Brad Holmes hired. He wasn't someone on the radar when the search began. All reports indicate that he impressed in the interview. Was he simply brought in as a Rooney rule interview? I think Chris Spielman knew of his rep with the Rams and he probably consulted his brother on it too. I don't think the Lions were leaning one way or the other, I don't think they had a guy in mind. There doesn't seem to be a problem with black guys being hired for GMs, just head coaches. It's so odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 To be honest I think Doug Pederson is a good hire for Jacksonville. Maybe he can mold Lawrence into an MVP caliber QB like he did with Wentz. Given how Jacksonville botched this coaching search, I'm surprised they ended up with a coach of Pederson's caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 harbaugh's situation kind of undermines flores' argument too. harbaugh has the best resume of any coach on the market. he's won at every level. he's been to a super bowl. yet he has a reputation as being hard to work with and now he cant get hired. he's being passed over for younger coaches who are all in on "analytics." and after the success of those coaches: mcvay, taylor, staley, why wouldnt a team want to pluck someone from that tree? its been much more successful than the "patriot way" coaches. and hue jackson coming out of the woodwork isnt helping him any... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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