Random NFL comments/thoughts

[Hongbit]

This is good news for the Browns if the NFL chooses to accept this number. 

[Hongbit]

 

[Motor City Sonics]

4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

 

First Browns game is at Carolina and Baker Mayfield.  

[RandyMarsh]

Ignorant to how this all works but can Goodell and the NFL appeal or add on to this or is this all final? If it is final that is a giant win for the Browns and especially Watson. 

[Deleterious]

Browns therapists wondering why they are getting punished in this.

 

[RandyMarsh]

3 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

Browns therapists wondering why they are getting punished in this.

 

Watson's like "Damn why don't you just suspend me longer instead"

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

This is good news for the Browns if the NFL chooses to accept this number. 

I suppose it is better than a longer or full season suspension, but it feels like their season is over with Jacoby Brissett starting out of the gate and not Watson. There are worse QBs than Jacoby Brissett that you could have as a backup, we have two of them, but you're not generally winning with your backup QB. Unless of course you're Matt Flynn and you play the Lions. 

The Browns are @Panthers, Jets, Steelers, @Falcons, Chargers, Pats to start the first 6 games of the season. I could see the Browns though being 2-4 or 1-5 to start the season, thus being eliminated from the playoffs by the time Watson comes back.

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said:

Ignorant to how this all works but can Goodell and the NFL appeal or add on to this or is this all final? If it is final that is a giant win for the Browns and especially Watson. 

This is the final decision. The NFL have 3 days to appeal.

[KL2]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

This is the final decision. The NFL have 3 days to appeal.

In posts don't make sense. 

It's final. 

Next sentence, except not really the NFl could appeal. 

[Hongbit]

17 minutes ago, KL2 said:

In posts don't make sense. 

It's final. 

Next sentence, except not really the NFl could appeal. 

In posts don’t make sense

[MichiganCardinal]

Putting outside the NFL’s hypocrisy for a moment….

I’m interested to see if the Browns get the QB they think they’re getting. He last played in an NFL game on 1/3/21. His next game will be on 10/23/22 at soonest, and he’s largely been away from all NFL activity through that time… Has he stayed in shape? Has he thrown a football? He’s getting paid no matter what, there’s not much incentive there if he hasn’t been staying active.

On top of that it’s worth mention that for being talked about and paid like the best QB in the NFL, he’s 28-25 as a starter.

[KL2]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

In posts don’t make sense

Ok, so I dropped a "that." My fault.

Now, your turn. You explain your post. How is something final that could not be final? 

Edited August 1, 2022 by KL2

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Ok, so I dropped a "that." My fault.

Now, your turn. You explain your post. How is something final that could not be final? 

The arbiter made her final ruling and suspended Watson 6 games. The NFL can appeal her final decision. It's no different than being convicted of murder in court. The verdict is final but you can always appeal.  The sentence is still carried out because it's final and an appeal can overturn that final decision. 

[Hongbit]

The OP asked if the NFL could add on any additional punishment or if that was the final number.   The NFL can’t add on to the suspension or change it unless they appeal the arbitrators final ruling.  This is relatively new process and was put in place in the latest CBA.   Goddell doesn’t get to be judge, jury, and executioner anymore. 

[CMRivdogs]

Ouch

 

For impermissible contact with Tom Brady and Sean Peyton...

Edited August 2, 2022 by CMRivdogs

[sagnam]

On 8/1/2022 at 2:24 PM, Hongbit said:

The OP asked if the NFL could add on any additional punishment or if that was the final number.   The NFL can’t add on to the suspension or change it unless they appeal the arbitrators final ruling.  This is relatively new process and was put in place in the latest CBA.   Goddell doesn’t get to be judge, jury, and executioner anymore. 

Everything I read says that the appeal is handled by Goddell.

[MichiganCardinal]

So talk to Tom Brady and Sean Payton = forfeit hugely important picks, get suspended for a number of months, pay a large fine.............. 

Have 24 women make allegations of sexual misconduct upon you = six-game suspension, no fine

 

I'm not saying what Ross did was okay, but when this punishment came out I automatically assumed that it was found he instructed Flores to lose games, or offered him money to do so (as Flores alleged). That was not substantiated, this is just for tampering with Brady and Payton.

I get that Watson is a unionized player and Ross is an owner protected "only" by wealth, power, and insulation, but I could point to Daniel Snyder or Robert Kraft too.... Seems the NFL's priorities may be a bit out of whack.

Edited August 2, 2022 by MichiganCardinal

[Jason_R]

No CBA for owners. 

And these owners… if Ross had gotten away with it, you would see the Wild West. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Jason_R

[sagnam]

NFL appealed. DeShaun all be out at least a year.  Goodell decides who hears the appeal. NFL appeals Deshaun Watson six-game suspension

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, sagnam said:

NFL appealed. DeShaun all be out at least a year.  Goodell decides who hears the appeal. NFL appeals Deshaun Watson six-game suspension

What a bizarre and stupid process. Nothing stops him from choosing himself. Or Tony Buzbee for that matter.

[buddha]

39 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

What a bizarre and stupid process. Nothing stops him from choosing himself. Or Tony Buzbee for that matter.

seriously.

let the union try to explain how this new disciplinary procedure is different or better for them than the last one.

great job by demaurice smith as usual.

[RedRamage]

On 8/2/2022 at 5:58 PM, MichiganCardinal said:

I get that Watson is a unionized player and Ross is an owner protected "only" by wealth, power, and insulation, but I could point to Daniel Snyder or Robert Kraft too.... Seems the NFL's priorities may be a bit out of whack.

To me it often comes back to a matter of "crimes against the sport" vs. just "normal crimes."  And I know that this won't sit well with a number of people, but the NFL's job isn't to police and punish for "normal crimes."  If an NFL player goes out and drives drunk he should be held accountable for this crime the same way as if any ordinary joe drove drunk... the criminal justice system should punish that person.

Now, "crimes against the sport" are another thing. These things (generally speaking) are completely legal outside of the the sport.  Your average Joe and go and bet that his favorite team will lose its upcoming game... that's 100% legal (assuming he's doing it in a legal manner), no problems, no issues, no police, no court, no jail time or fines or anything.  If Tom Brady goes to a casino and bets on his team to lose... well, that's a major issue.  This is a "crime against the sport" and the league has to punish heavily because they are the only one who will.

Watson's accusers had their day(s) in court. The grand jury (where the prosecution lays out their case without the defense being able to say anything) didn't find enough evidence to indict. Many of the civil cases are settled. That's the courts punishing Watson for his "normal crimes" against society. Anything the NFL does on top of that is more window dressing and for PR reasons than anything else.

[buddha]

28 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

To me it often comes back to a matter of "crimes against the sport" vs. just "normal crimes."  And I know that this won't sit well with a number of people, but the NFL's job isn't to police and punish for "normal crimes."  If an NFL player goes out and drives drunk he should be held accountable for this crime the same way as if any ordinary joe drove drunk... the criminal justice system should punish that person.

Now, "crimes against the sport" are another thing. These things (generally speaking) are completely legal outside of the the sport.  Your average Joe and go and bet that his favorite team will lose its upcoming game... that's 100% legal (assuming he's doing it in a legal manner), no problems, no issues, no police, no court, no jail time or fines or anything.  If Tom Brady goes to a casino and bets on his team to lose... well, that's a major issue.  This is a "crime against the sport" and the league has to punish heavily because they are the only one who will.

Watson's accusers had their day(s) in court. The grand jury (where the prosecution lays out their case without the defense being able to say anything) didn't find enough evidence to indict. Many of the civil cases are settled. That's the courts punishing Watson for his "normal crimes" against society. Anything the NFL does on top of that is more window dressing and for PR reasons than anything else.

this is ALL pr and window dressing. 

the nfl gets raked over the coals for their seeming lack of concern for domestic violence committed by their players.  in today's media world, they need to try to rectify that (or think they do).  so watson is the sacrificial lamb who now sits out two seasons to satisfy tony buzbee's need for publicity.

again, this is why you always pay.  of course, even if they wanted to settle early buzbee wouldnt have let them.  he needed this to drag out to keep his name in the news.  might run for governor again.  and it'll help him get more seven billion verdicts like the one handed down in texas a couple weeks ago.

[Motown Bombers]

Watson chose to sit out last year because he wanted to be traded. It wasn't some sort of punishment. 

[Hongbit]

43 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Watson chose to sit out last year because he wanted to be traded. It wasn't some sort of punishment. 

I’m not exactly sure how it all went down last year with the Texans and the timing of when he asked for the trade and when the seriousness of the allegations came out making him virtually untradeable with looming criminal charges.    I think he was pissed because they traded all their vets and didn’t want to be a part of their rebuild and would’ve gotten his wish had he not completely fucked things up by getting exposed as a sexual predator. 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Hongbit