Random NFL comments/thoughts

[1984Echoes]

32 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Holmes passed on a QB who was better than Richardson to draft a tackle. 

Maybe he saw Justin Fields as Vick 2.0 and that's why he drafted a dominant 10-year tackle instead of a QB...?

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Montana/ Steve Young?

Favre/ Rodgers?

I didn't look for any more, but...

Glad you brought up Steve Young. The 49ers didn't draft Steve Young. He played in the USFL and then was on Tampa. He was then traded to the 49ers because Tampa drafted Testeverde. That worked out well for Tampa. 

[1984Echoes]

28 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I mean, I originally said the Lions could have drafted Goff and not signed Stafford to an extension. It's a similar comparison but yeah they likely wouldn't have signed Kitna if they drafted Rodgers. Guess it's better to play in the fantasy world where the Lions draft Mahomes. 

So let's not EVER draft a QB because there's only one Mahomes.

Or one Rodgers.

Or one Brady.

The person living in a fantasy world is you. Your logic is faulty.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said:

So let's not EVER draft a QB because there's only one Mahomes.

Or one Rodgers.

Or one Brady.

The person living in a fantasy world is you. Your logic is faulty.

Don't draft a QB when you have a 28 year old Pro Bowl QB. Brett Favre was 36 when they drafted Rodgers. He had flirted with retirement. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick who has a 3rd string QB. It wasn't some genius plan. The Patriots got lucky. 

[1984Echoes]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Glad you brought up Steve Young. The 49ers didn't draft Steve Young. He played in the USFL and then was on Tampa. He was then traded to the 49ers because Tampa drafted Testeverde. That worked out well for Tampa. 

They identified a QB that they wanted behind Montana and obtained him.

I am arguing ability to identify a more-than-competent QB.

Not drafting versus trading versus FA signing...

Favre was drafted by the Falcons. The Packers obtained him from the Falcons.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

They identified a QB that they wanted behind Montana and obtained him.

I am arguing ability to identify a more-than-competent QB.

Not drafting versus trading versus FA signing...

Favre was drafted by the Falcons. The Packers obtained him from the Falcons.

I was talking the Favre to Rodgers transition but yeah Atlanta drafted Favre in the 2nd round and then gave him away after one season. A waste of a pick. 

[Motown Bombers]

Maybe you should think about the teams that let Young and Favre get away and how they didn't identify the QBs they had. 

[1984Echoes]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Don't draft a QB when you have a 28 year old Pro Bowl QB. Brett Favre was 36 when they drafted Rodgers. He had flirted with retirement. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick who has a 3rd string QB. It wasn't some genius plan. The Patriots got lucky. 

And Montana was 31 when the 49'ers obtained Steve Young.

Alex Smith was 33 when Mahomes was drafted.

Drew Bledsoe was 28 when Brady was drafted.

If Anthony Richardson is leaps and bounds ahead of Goff (in Holmes estimation) and we draft him at #6... then you have no point. Nothing. Nada.

If Holmes believes AR is better than Goff and drafts him... Goff gets traded after 2023. Nothing left but the cryin'...

[1984Echoes]

2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Maybe you should think about the teams that let Young and Favre get away and how they didn't identify the QBs they had. 

That's your logic.

I'm following the Holmes logic.

Not the Motown Bombers logic.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, 1984Echoes said:

And Montana was 31 when the 49'ers obtained Steve Young.

Alex Smith was 33 when Mahomes was drafted.

Drew Bledsoe was 28 when Brady was drafted.

If Anthony Richardson is leaps and bounds ahead of Goff (in Holmes estimation) and we draft him at #6... then you have no point. Nothing. Nada.

If Holmes believes AR is better than Goff and drafts him... Goff gets traded after 2023. Nothing left but the cryin'...

All of them except for Bledsoe are older than Goff and Brady was a 6th round pick. That is such an outlier and no QB drafted in the 6th round has done anything similar. 

If Holmes drafts Richardson 6th and his 53% completion doesn't work in the NFL and Goff continues to play at this level for another team, then there is certainly a point. The Lions would be the Bucs in the Young comparison and the team that acquires Goff would be the 49ers. 

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

That's your logic.

I'm following the Holmes logic.

Not the Motown Bombers logic.

Your logic appears to be to find a castoff QB like Steve Young or Brett Favre. Is there a QB that was castoff from his team, maybe one where the team paid a 1st round pick to make him go away? Hmmm can't think of a QB that fits. 

[1984Echoes]

Holmes logic: Find the right guy for your team and draft him.

MB logic: "But we already HAVE a QB... we just CAN'T draft another one!!!"

"But we already HAVE a RB... we just CAN'T draft another one!!!"

"But we already HAVE Clyde Drexler, we just CAN'T draft Michael Jordan!!!"

"Everybody thinks they're going to draft the next Clyde Drexler. And Drexler is only 22, why would we even THINK about drafting Michael Jordan?"

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

And Montana was 31 when the 49'ers obtained Steve Young.

Alex Smith was 33 when Mahomes was drafted.

Drew Bledsoe was 28 when Brady was drafted.

If Anthony Richardson is leaps and bounds ahead of Goff (in Holmes estimation) and we draft him at #6... then you have no point. Nothing. Nada.

If Holmes believes AR is better than Goff and drafts him... Goff gets traded after 2023. Nothing left but the cryin'...

When Alex Smith was the same age as Goff, Kansas City traded a 2nd round pick for him and signed him to an extension. It was years later before they drafted Mahomes. 

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

Your logic appears to be to find a castoff QB like Steve Young or Brett Favre. Is there a QB that was castoff from his team, maybe one where the team paid a 1st round pick to make him go away? Hmmm can't think of a QB that fits. 

No.

My logic is Trust in Brad Holmes.

Not Motown Bombers.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Holmes logic: Find the right guy for your team and draft him.

MB logic: "But we already HAVE a QB... we just CAN'T draft another one!!!"

"But we already HAVE a RB... we just CAN'T draft another one!!!"

"But we already HAVE Clyde Drexler, we just CAN'T draft Michael Jordan!!!"

"Everybody thinks they're going to draft the next Clyde Drexler. And Drexler is only 22, why would we even THINK about drafting Michael Jordan?"

Just keep drafting QBs. Eventually one is bound to turn out good, and if they do, keep drafting them because eventually you'll have to replace them. 

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

No.

My logic is Trust in Brad Holmes.

Not Motown Bombers.

And I trust Brad Holmes not to do something foolish like draft a backup QB in the 1st round. If a QB is drafted in the 1st round, Goff will be gone within one year. 

[RandyMarsh]

The radio was saying per Rich Eisen that Brady didn't actually file for retirement and is still an official FA. He added that Miami seems to be the most probable explanation.

After hearing that some folks suggested that it could be because the player actually retiring won't be Brady but Tua due to the multiple head injuries he has already suffered in his young career. That would be a major turn of events. 

[buddha]

from the athletic today:

The Lions are in the market for a quarterback...

First things first, I don’t view this as a smokescreen. The Lions do, in fact, need a quarterback. A backup, at the very least. Nate Sudfeld is an unrestricted free agent, and the Lions should absolutely look to upgrade. They’ve been able to get away with lesser talents backing up Goff, but that shouldn’t be the case in 2023. The 49ers built a roster capable of winning a Super Bowl, only to take a beating in the NFC Championship Game with their fourth-string quarterback. Holmes said he didn’t want to be in a position to scramble for backup help like he did after the preseason last year. It’s time to address it....

Now, we could leave it there. Or we could discuss the future.

 

There has to be a nuanced way to talk about the quarterback position without it serving as a shot at Goff. I really hope we can do that here. Goff played at a Pro Bowl level in 2022 and deserves a ton of credit for how he rose above a bad situation. He’s certainly capable of leading this team to the playoffs if he repeats the season he just had. Let’s make that clear.

But anyone suggesting the Lions won’t think about drafting a quarterback simply because they have Goff in place is naive to how this process works. It would probably be more concerning if Holmes and his crew weren’t looking at quarterbacks. They get paid to explore every avenue, long-term and short, immediate need or not. Doesn’t mean they will, but it shouldn’t be ruled out until they’ve done their due diligence and feel comfortable moving forward with another position. With Detroit reportedly meeting with Anthony Richardson, it appears that’s what the Lions are doing. They have the rest of this month and next to determine where to go.

If they decide to select one in the first round, perhaps as high as No. 6, they’d likely feel pretty good about their support system in place. You can make the case that Holmes has built the most QB-friendly situation of any team drafting in the top 10. An offensive line with three Pro Bowlers, Amon-Ra St. Brown and Jameson Williams at wide receiver and a capable run game. With Goff under contract, a young QB would not feel pressured to start right away. The Lions would rather not be drafting this high again anytime soon, so there’s a case to be made for taking a QB early if a guy Holmes loves is there at No. 6.

[Motown Bombers]

Ummm, that doesn't at all say the Lions are in the market for a QB. It's that writers opinion.

[Motown Bombers]

You draft a QB 6th to replace Goff. I love how people just want to dance around the obvious and not say they don't think Goff is good enough. Nobody said Baltimore should draft a QB even with the Lamar Jackson contract situation. No one is saying Cincinnati should draft a QB instead of paying Burrow $50 million. You're not drafting a QB 6th to be a backup or for cap savings. It's because you don't think Goff is good enough. 

[Hongbit]

I’m not ready to say Goff is good enough.  

I’m not saying he’s not either.  

I need more time.  

I’ll be ready to say with much better clarity after this season.  

[Motown Bombers]

If you're drafting a QB 6th, you've already made that decision. A top 10 pick is someone who should be a foundational piece. Not an insurance policy. 

I also like how the article says it's not a shot at Goff. Of course it is. You're saying you don't have confidence he's good enough. I'm guessing this same writer isn't writing articles about Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Philadelphia etc to take 1st round QBs. He's probably on the side of Baltimore signing Jackson instead of drafting a QB. Not sure why so many people go through the hassle of trying not to say they don't think Goff is good enough. 

[1984Echoes]

22 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Ummm, that doesn't at all say the Lions are in the market for a QB. It's that writers opinion.

The Lions scouted Richardson 6 times or so in college. Interviewed him. 

I believe they interviewed all the QB's.

It's called due diligence. 

This isn't opinion. It's normal operating procedures.

Sorry to rain on your Goff fetish.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

The Lions scouted Richardson 6 times or so in college. Interviewed him. 

I believe they interviewed all the QB's.

It's called due diligence. 

This isn't opinion. It's normal operating procedures.

Sorry to rain on your Goff fetish.

 It didn't quote any sources or any insider information. It was all commentary. It just stated they met with Richardson. It provides no other information that the Lions are in the market for a QB. Sorry to rain on your reading skills. 

[buddha]

38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Ummm, that doesn't at all say the Lions are in the market for a QB. It's that writers opinion.

"the lions are in a market for a qb" was the title of the section of the quoted article.