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RandyMarsh Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Can't wait for it, probably will be my go to guide when it gets published. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 His guide is fantastic. Especially for guys outside the top 10 that maybe we don't know much about. Shame you have to subscribe to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 Givony has a new mock. Jabari Chet Paolo Ivey Murray Mathurin Daniels Sharpe Duren Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 Givony also said this about the Pistons pick. Quote Sharpe is also said to be a real candidate here but couldn't separate himself in a competitive 3-on-3 workout he conducted last week alongside the likes of Bennedict Mathurin, Dyson Daniels and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Nice to hear that he actually participated in a competitive workout. Right now I'm assuming we're going to draft Murray. I like the kid and I'll be happy to root for him. Great character and I'm sure he'll be a solid player. But... I can't help but feel like he's the kind of player you can get in free agency or in the middle of the first round (like Bey). Meanwhile, if one of the others hit their ceiling (Ivey, Sharpe, and even Mathurin) you aren't signing that kind of player in free agency because that's an All-Star. For me, that's why I'd prefer one of them. You only get so many shots at All-Stars and even less if you're in a market like Detroit. You can get "solid" players anytime down the road through trades or free agency. Either way, I really just want to see the Pistons do more than just make their pick and go home. There's been so much talk about trading Grant for another pick and Weaver making sure his "clip is always empty" that if we walk away with just Murray and some nobody at pick #47 I'm going to feel like the clip definitely was not emptied. Edited June 15, 2022 by Betrayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Assuming no Jabari drop right now I'm at 1A Murray and 1B Mathurin. Daniels, Sharpe and Ivey are all pretty much even in my eyes in terms of my want for them. I won't be disappointed if they draft any of them but they would all be my 3rd choice. To me it's fun to dream about upside and ceiling but you have to factor in the likelihood that a player will hit that ceiling. I think the likelihood Daniels, Sharpe and Ivey hit it is too low for me to take over guys like Murray or Mathurin. I think Murray and Mathurin can come in and contribute from day 1 and while they may not offer superstar upside(not saying it's impossible for either to get there though) I think they offer very real All Star upside so I don't think we're talking about just a run of mill guys you can easily get in FA. Really though barring Weaver doing something crazy I don't think I will walk away from this draft disappointed like say the Stanley Johnson draft. Even the 3 players I mentioned that I don't necessarily prefer I still see the potential value in their upside and wouldn't be kicking and screaming if they do end up with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Ivey Mathurin Murray that's where i am. in reality, i'll be happy with any of the three and can see the arguments for each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 I am where I was 2 months ago. Don't take Chet. Don't take Ivey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I haven’t really changed my opinion. Draft the future franchise player, whatever his name is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, casimir said: I haven’t really changed my opinion. Draft the future franchise player, whatever his name is. I think they did that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Deleterious said: I think they did that last year. I can’t be selfish and hope for another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, casimir said: I can’t be selfish and hope for another? You are a Pistons fan. Now you just hope the one they drafted doesn't leave in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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casimir Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Deleterious said: You are a Pistons fan. Now you just hope the one they drafted doesn't leave in a few years. Come on, just let me escape reality once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34098510/sources-dallas-mavericks-acquire-christian-wood-houston-rockets-26th-pick-nba-draft-4-players christian wood to the mavs for the #26 pick and salary filler. does that set a market for grant? houston just piling up draft picks. how long until were all surprised when we find out the pistons owe them a #1 pick for trevor ariza and isaiah stewart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) Doubt Taco Bell at your own risk. They know something nobody else does. I’ll put their quants up against any. The pick has to be Johnny Davis. He’s going to be the best player in the draft. Edited June 16, 2022 by Hongbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Deleterious said: Givony has a new mock. Jabari Chet Paolo Ivey Murray Mathurin Daniels Sharpe Duren Davis Interesting because he insinuated that lots of people in the Kings organization prefer Murray including Rivadive (the owner) and Mike Brown and what's also interesting is that Ivey was interviewed recently and asked about where he thinks he might go/wants to go and he mentioned the Pistons and Pacers but not Kings. I don't know if any of this means much but it seems far from a lock that Ivey goes to the Kings unless they trade the pick and I wouldn't have thought that about a week ago. Also, I'm not entirely sure that the Pistons even take Ivey if he drops to them (and Murray is gone). I could see them taking Mathurin over him. Edited June 16, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, buddha said: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34098510/sources-dallas-mavericks-acquire-christian-wood-houston-rockets-26th-pick-nba-draft-4-players christian wood to the mavs for the #26 pick and salary filler. does that set a market for grant? houston just piling up draft picks. how long until were all surprised when we find out the pistons owe them a #1 pick for trevor ariza and isaiah stewart? No. Grant is better. Wood is one of those fan favorites that isn't actually very good. I wouldn't expect #7 in return for Grant but he's certainly better than Wood, as more of a 2 way guy that teams tend to covet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, NYLion said: No. Grant is better. Wood is one of those fan favorites that isn't actually very good. I wouldn't expect #7 in return for Grant but he's certainly better than Wood, as more of a 2 way guy that teams tend to covet. that's what i meant. if wood gets filler and the #26 pick, grant should be worth at least a late lottery pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, buddha said: that's what i meant. if wood gets filler and the #26 pick, grant should be worth at least a late lottery pick. You would think so but I don't see any teams in the late lottery that would be in on him. The rumored (speculated) Atlanta deal of 16th plus Bogdanovic or Gallinari seems a tad underwhelming although I suppose avoiding the Grant extension would be the real value. Edited June 16, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, NYLion said: You would think so but I don't see any teams in the late lottery that would be in on him. The rumored Atlanta deal of 16th plus Bogdanovic or Gallinari seems a tad underwhelming. i'd wait for the deadline rather than make that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, buddha said: i'd wait for the deadline rather than make that deal. I don't think they'd get a better deal than the Atlanta one at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, buddha said: that's what i meant. if wood gets filler and the #26 pick, grant should be worth at least a late lottery pick. The Mavs wouldn't even be interested in Grant. So it's hard to compare value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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