Shinzaki Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 None of it's against college athletes...but Shaedon Sharpe's vids are awfully impressive. Has a nice stroke and a ton of athleticism. If we can snag another pick fom Portland for Grant...he'd be a nice addition. Assuming he enters the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 The general feeling is Sharpe will declare. At that point the NBA will have to rule if he is eligible or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 Memphis is a good reminder it isn't just about high picks. They might have the best young roster in the league. OK they have Ja and JJJ, both high picks. Their two next best players are Brooks and Bane. One taken with the last pick of the first round. The other taken in the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 That's why I never bought into the folks that essentially say non lottery 1st rounders are worthless. Yeah the likelihood of you finding a superstar with one of those picks is pretty damn small but you can get valuable pieces that could be a third or possibly even 2nd option on a championship caliber team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Deleterious said: The general feeling is Sharpe will declare. At that point the NBA will have to rule if he is eligible or not. He's the most intriguing player of the draft. I know it's just high school footage but he looks all the part of a star, the shot, the athleticism, the handle. I know nothing about his defense but his skillset looks elite. I thought he was already ruled eligible if I'm not mistaken and it was just a matter of him wanting to declare or not at this point (I have no idea why he wouldn't declare). Edited March 30, 2022 by NYLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 9 hours ago, NYLion said: He's the most intriguing player of the draft. I know it's just high school footage but he looks all the part of a star, the shot, the athleticism, the handle. I know nothing about his defense but his skillset looks elite. I thought he was already ruled eligible if I'm not mistaken and it was just a matter of him wanting to declare or not at this point (I have no idea why he wouldn't declare). I don't think he has been ruled eligible yet. There was a report from an anonymous source in the league office that he is eligible. But nothing official as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I think we have officially entered the golden age of Canadian basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 A guy like Sharpe gives you a lot of flexibility...he can play guard alongside Cade or if you want to go smaller, he can move up to the wing with Bey playing the PF and Hayes playing alongside Cade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Not a lot of foreign players in this draft. Canadian doesn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 Another kid who would look really good if he could shoot the three. Possible target if they can get another lottery pick, probably in the 8-12 range. Can get to the rim, really good midrange game, but he shot 30% from three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 veccinie's latest has us taking banchero at #3 with smith and chet going 1-2 and ivey going 4. he did not include sharpe in the draft. no um or sparty players being projected as drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 4, 2022 Author Share Posted April 4, 2022 I think Tankathon is up to date. Detroit is up a half game on OKC. So if both lose out it would end in a tie and I have no clue on tiebreakers. They might just do a coin flip. Remaining schedules DET - Mavs, Bucks, @76ers OKC - POR, @Utah, @Lakers, @Clippers IND - 76ers, @76ers, @Nets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleterious Posted April 4, 2022 Author Share Posted April 4, 2022 8 minutes of Victor Wembanyama highlights from his latest game. This shows every play he was involved with in any way. He had 25 points (10-16 shooting 3-4 from three) 7 rebounds and 3 blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 physically he looks like a young kareem. a young kareem who shoots threes. poor kid will probably end up on okc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 12 hours ago, Deleterious said: I think Tankathon is up to date. Detroit is up a half game on OKC. So if both lose out it would end in a tie and I have no clue on tiebreakers. They might just do a coin flip. Remaining schedules DET - Mavs, Bucks, @76ers OKC - POR, @Utah, @Lakers, @Clippers IND - 76ers, @76ers, @Nets Ties split their lottery balls and if there's an odd number of balls it is randomized. (Source: https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds) I expect that DAL and MIL will still want to win when we play them...76ers game could go either way by then. We really need OKC to win against POR at home. That's would lock us into 3rd if we lose out and it's OKC best chance at a win. My concern is not about the odds of getting top 4, it's about the odds of slipping to 6, 7, 8, or even 9th in this draft. I get that there's no clear cut #1 superstar, but I also don't want to be picking 6-9 after all the losing this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 For those of you (like me) who might be disappointed to watch the Pistons slip in the draft lottery standings... I've been looking at re-drafts of the top 4 players from each draft from 2005 until 2018 (I want to make sure we have at least 3 full seasons so I stopped there) and the data is pretty interesting. I've included all the data below if you want to see it, but here are some findings: Of the 56 total players 33% were from picks 1-3 41% of them came from picks 1-4 59% were picked outside of the top 4 20% came from picks 5-10 16% from picks 11 -15 23% from picks 21-48, showing the importance of late first round and early second round picks that some GMs like to give away Never have the top 4 picks wound up being the top 4 players Only 2 times have 3 of the top 4 picks become the top 4 players of that draft 6 times only 2 players were drafted in the top 4 5 times only 1 player was in the top 4 picks Once (in 2013) none of the top 4 players were drafted 1-4 Some data on individual picks... #3 tops the list with 8 players #1 is right behind it, with 7 players Picks #2, #4, and #5 have each yielded 4 of the top 4 players in their draft #8 is the worst. Not once did it yield a top 4 player from 2005-2018 ----------- Data dump below in case you want to have fun poking around ------------- Year Re-Draft Player Picked 2005 1 Chris Paul 4 2005 2 Deron Williams 3 2005 3 Monta Ellis 40 2005 4 Lou Williams 45 2006 1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2 2006 2 Kyle Lowry 24 2006 3 Paul Milsap 47 2006 4 Rajon Rondo 21 2007 1 KD 2 2007 2 Marc Gasol 48 2007 3 Mike Conley 4 2007 4 Al Horford 3 2008 1 Russell Westbrook 4 2008 2 Kevin Love 5 2008 3 Derrick Rose 1 2008 4 DeAndre Jordan 35 2009 1 Steph Curry 7 2009 2 James Harden 3 2009 3 Blake Griffin 1 2009 4 DeMar DeRozan 9 2010 1 Paul George 10 2010 2 John Wall 1 2010 3 DeMarcus Cousins 5 2010 4 Gordon Hayward 9 2011 1 Kawhi Leonard 15 2011 2 Kyrie Irving 1 2011 3 Jimmy Butler 30 2011 4 Klay Thompson 11 2012 1 AD 1 2012 2 Damian Lillard 6 2012 3 Bradley Beal 3 2012 4 Draymond Green 35 2013 1 Giannis 15 2013 2 Rudy Gobert 27 2013 3 CJ McCollum 10 2013 4 Steven Adams 12 2014 1 Jokic 41 2014 2 Embiid 3 2014 3 Zach Lavine 13 2014 4 Clint Capela 25 2015 1 Devin Booker 13 2015 2 KAT 1 2015 3 Kristaps Porzingis 4 2015 4 Dangelo Russell 2 2016 1 Jaylen Brown 3 2016 2 Jamal Murray 7 2016 3 Pascal Siakam 27 2016 4 Brandon Ingram 2 2017 1 Jayson Tatum 3 2017 2 Donovan Mitchell 13 2017 3 Bam Adebayo 14 2017 4 DeAaron Fox 5 2018 1 Luka 3 2018 2 Trae Young 5 2018 3 SGA 11 2018 4 DeAndre Ayton 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, Betrayer said: For those of you (like me) who might be disappointed to watch the Pistons slip in the draft lottery standings... I've been looking at re-drafts of the top 4 players from each draft from 2005 until 2018 (I want to make sure we have at least 3 full seasons so I stopped there) and the data is pretty interesting. I've included all the data below if you want to see it, but here are some findings: Of the 56 total players 33% were from picks 1-3 41% of them came from picks 1-4 59% were picked outside of the top 4 20% came from picks 5-10 16% from picks 11 -15 23% from picks 21-48, showing the importance of late first round and early second round picks that some GMs like to give away Never have the top 4 picks wound up being the top 4 players Only 2 times have 3 of the top 4 picks become the top 4 players of that draft 6 times only 2 players were drafted in the top 4 5 times only 1 player was in the top 4 picks Once (in 2013) none of the top 4 players were drafted 1-4 Some data on individual picks... #3 tops the list with 8 players #1 is right behind it, with 7 players Picks #2, #4, and #5 have each yielded 4 of the top 4 players in their draft #8 is the worst. Not once did it yield a top 4 player from 2005-2018 ----------- Data dump below in case you want to have fun poking around ------------- Year Re-Draft Player Picked 2005 1 Chris Paul 4 2005 2 Deron Williams 3 2005 3 Monta Ellis 40 2005 4 Lou Williams 45 2006 1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2 2006 2 Kyle Lowry 24 2006 3 Paul Milsap 47 2006 4 Rajon Rondo 21 2007 1 KD 2 2007 2 Marc Gasol 48 2007 3 Mike Conley 4 2007 4 Al Horford 3 2008 1 Russell Westbrook 4 2008 2 Kevin Love 5 2008 3 Derrick Rose 1 2008 4 DeAndre Jordan 35 2009 1 Steph Curry 7 2009 2 James Harden 3 2009 3 Blake Griffin 1 2009 4 DeMar DeRozan 9 2010 1 Paul George 10 2010 2 John Wall 1 2010 3 DeMarcus Cousins 5 2010 4 Gordon Hayward 9 2011 1 Kawhi Leonard 15 2011 2 Kyrie Irving 1 2011 3 Jimmy Butler 30 2011 4 Klay Thompson 11 2012 1 AD 1 2012 2 Damian Lillard 6 2012 3 Bradley Beal 3 2012 4 Draymond Green 35 2013 1 Giannis 15 2013 2 Rudy Gobert 27 2013 3 CJ McCollum 10 2013 4 Steven Adams 12 2014 1 Jokic 41 2014 2 Embiid 3 2014 3 Zach Lavine 13 2014 4 Clint Capela 25 2015 1 Devin Booker 13 2015 2 KAT 1 2015 3 Kristaps Porzingis 4 2015 4 Dangelo Russell 2 2016 1 Jaylen Brown 3 2016 2 Jamal Murray 7 2016 3 Pascal Siakam 27 2016 4 Brandon Ingram 2 2017 1 Jayson Tatum 3 2017 2 Donovan Mitchell 13 2017 3 Bam Adebayo 14 2017 4 DeAaron Fox 5 2018 1 Luka 3 2018 2 Trae Young 5 2018 3 SGA 11 2018 4 DeAndre Ayton 1 Great data and list, it appears that with a couple exceptions like Giannis and Steph you're not going to get yourself a defacto number 1 All NBA guy in the mid to late lottery but you still can get All Star caliber guys. With us hoping that Cade can be our All NBA getting one of those All Star caliber players would be perfectly fine with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 one thing that stands out to me about that list is that none of them were drafted by the pistons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: Great data and list, it appears that with a couple exceptions like Giannis and Steph you're not going to get yourself a defacto number 1 All NBA guy in the mid to late lottery but you still can get All Star caliber guys. With us hoping that Cade can be our All NBA getting one of those All Star caliber players would be perfectly fine with me. Yep, about half of the Superstar-type guys come from outside of the top 4 like Steph, Kawhi, Lillard, Giannis, and Jokic as well as the next tier of guys like DeRozan, George, Butler, Klay, Booker, Mitchell, Gobert, and Trae. That's before we even get into guys that are borderline All-Stars like Siakam, Murray, Lavine, Green, Lowry, and others. Point being, you can get a good player outside of the top 4, so I guess we'll have to trust in Weaver to pick us another Bey and not another Hayes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Supposedly Josh Hart and a pick was the original principle return for Grant that was previously discussed with Portland. Hey, who knows. Get that 1st round pick from Portland and there’s another shot at an all star. Maybe Hart can offer some scoring to help shoulder the load with Cunningham and Bey, or off of the bench as a backcourt mate to Hayes? What is Frank Jackson’s role going forward? Is he enough of an outside shooter to compliment Cunningham in the backcourt as a starter if they don’t acquire a starting G in the off-season? Or is he purely a bench G? It would seem to me he’s the latter, but I’m open to the idea that they might arrange the combinations based on complimentary skill sets around Cunningham and/or what makes the strongest starting lineup and bench lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 frank jackson is occasional bench scoring and depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Betrayer said: For those of you (like me) who might be disappointed to watch the Pistons slip in the draft lottery standings... I've been looking at re-drafts of the top 4 players from each draft from 2005 until 2018 (I want to make sure we have at least 3 full seasons so I stopped there) and the data is pretty interesting. I've included all the data below if you want to see it, but here are some findings: Of the 56 total players 33% were from picks 1-3 41% of them came from picks 1-4 59% were picked outside of the top 4 20% came from picks 5-10 16% from picks 11 -15 23% from picks 21-48, showing the importance of late first round and early second round picks that some GMs like to give away Never have the top 4 picks wound up being the top 4 players Only 2 times have 3 of the top 4 picks become the top 4 players of that draft 6 times only 2 players were drafted in the top 4 5 times only 1 player was in the top 4 picks Once (in 2013) none of the top 4 players were drafted 1-4 Some data on individual picks... #3 tops the list with 8 players #1 is right behind it, with 7 players Picks #2, #4, and #5 have each yielded 4 of the top 4 players in their draft #8 is the worst. Not once did it yield a top 4 player from 2005-2018 ----------- Data dump below in case you want to have fun poking around ------------- Year Re-Draft Player Picked 2005 1 Chris Paul 4 2005 2 Deron Williams 3 2005 3 Monta Ellis 40 2005 4 Lou Williams 45 2006 1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2 2006 2 Kyle Lowry 24 2006 3 Paul Milsap 47 2006 4 Rajon Rondo 21 2007 1 KD 2 2007 2 Marc Gasol 48 2007 3 Mike Conley 4 2007 4 Al Horford 3 2008 1 Russell Westbrook 4 2008 2 Kevin Love 5 2008 3 Derrick Rose 1 2008 4 DeAndre Jordan 35 2009 1 Steph Curry 7 2009 2 James Harden 3 2009 3 Blake Griffin 1 2009 4 DeMar DeRozan 9 2010 1 Paul George 10 2010 2 John Wall 1 2010 3 DeMarcus Cousins 5 2010 4 Gordon Hayward 9 2011 1 Kawhi Leonard 15 2011 2 Kyrie Irving 1 2011 3 Jimmy Butler 30 2011 4 Klay Thompson 11 2012 1 AD 1 2012 2 Damian Lillard 6 2012 3 Bradley Beal 3 2012 4 Draymond Green 35 2013 1 Giannis 15 2013 2 Rudy Gobert 27 2013 3 CJ McCollum 10 2013 4 Steven Adams 12 2014 1 Jokic 41 2014 2 Embiid 3 2014 3 Zach Lavine 13 2014 4 Clint Capela 25 2015 1 Devin Booker 13 2015 2 KAT 1 2015 3 Kristaps Porzingis 4 2015 4 Dangelo Russell 2 2016 1 Jaylen Brown 3 2016 2 Jamal Murray 7 2016 3 Pascal Siakam 27 2016 4 Brandon Ingram 2 2017 1 Jayson Tatum 3 2017 2 Donovan Mitchell 13 2017 3 Bam Adebayo 14 2017 4 DeAaron Fox 5 2018 1 Luka 3 2018 2 Trae Young 5 2018 3 SGA 11 2018 4 DeAndre Ayton 1 was 2005 the first 'one and done' year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: was 2005 the first 'one and done' year? I believe the rule was passed that summer, so it started the year after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Betrayer said: Yep, about half of the Superstar-type guys come from outside of the top 4 like Steph, Kawhi, Lillard, Giannis, and Jokic as well as the next tier of guys like DeRozan, George, Butler, Klay, Booker, Mitchell, Gobert, and Trae. That's before we even get into guys that are borderline All-Stars like Siakam, Murray, Lavine, Green, Lowry, and others. Point being, you can get a good player outside of the top 4, so I guess we'll have to trust in Weaver to pick us another Bey and not another Hayes. Pretty much, especially in a draft like this where there's a greater chance that the best player comes from outside the top 4 than a normal draft. Also, as has been mentioned ad nauseum, the odds of finishing top 4 are largely unchanged from 1-4 so the only real effect from dropping a few spots is a greater chance of finishing 5-7 which really isn't a big deal (8 is virtually impossible unless they pass Indiana too so top 7 is pretty much guaranteed). They're going to need the luck of the lottery balls regardless of where they finish. I think there's an outside of chance of finishing 3rd after OKC shockingly won last night. They play the G League Blazers at home and the L.A. teams who should have nothing to play for so you'd think that they can squeeze out a win while the Pistons play the Mavs and Bucks who will almost certainly have something to play for (Sixers probably not though) so I think 3 is still very much in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betrayer Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Yea, I'm hoping for an OKC win tonight, which could seal the deal. I'm also hoping for the Portland trade to come through on draft night to give us a second lottery pick. My guess is that Weaver didn't see a point in rushing to make the trade before knowing where the pick would land or if protections would push it down the road a year or more (New Orleans pick only conveys between 5 and 14). On draft night, all cards will be on the table and Portland needs Grant to help rebuild around Lillard in a hurry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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