pfife Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Every bad thing that ever happens will be due to doge cuts Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: We can only speculate with the information provided. Maybe we will find out otherwise, until then it does not look great for Gav and the gang. Nah - as more info emerges, it's becoming clear they were not within any marginal governmental decisions of being able to cope with what happened. The question is whether this is enough to make the region rethink the whole approach. Considering the example of the difficulty in getting people to move out of flood zones in other parts of the county, the odds of making major land use changes because of the fire hazard seems questionable. (as an aside, Americans seem to prefer death and mayhem to reasonable change in almost all areas - we won't even restrict weapons to keep our kids safe in schools, why would we make people change their lives to stop fires?). Apparently one thing they could do would be to preposition more fire fighting equip throughout the region because in high wind situations response time becomes is super critical - but there are big cost, maintenance and logistics hurdles to that. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 This 100% a real thing. Being in the diesel industry this is something I am well versed in. In 2036 MD diesel sales will be banned there. God forbid they lift regulations when you have a major disaster but it’s Cali after all. You can read up on it below. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/truckstop/pdfs/truck_bus_booklet.pdf https://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/article/article/what-you-need-to-know-about-californias-new-emissions-ban-on-older-diesel/ Quote
pfife Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Thats because of the trump tax cuts and also from cutting DEI Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: This 100% a real thing. Being in the diesel industry this is something I am well versed in. In 2036 MD diesel sales will be banned there. God forbid they lift regulations when you have a major disaster but it’s Cali after all. You can read up on it below. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/truckstop/pdfs/truck_bus_booklet.pdf https://www.northbaybusinessjournal.com/article/article/what-you-need-to-know-about-californias-new-emissions-ban-on-older-diesel/ or maybe this https://katu.com/news/local/fact-check-oregon-fire-engines-allowed-to-fight-wildfires-in-california Quote PORTLAND, Ore. (KATU) — KATU News has been made aware of a post on a social media site claiming that the 60 fire engines from Oregon would not be allowed in California to help battle the wildfires around Los Angeles due to emissions. A spokesperson with CAL Fire says that is patently false. "No vehicles from Oregon have been turned around or refused service at Davis Mobile Equipment and all out-of-state vehicles have been services and are heading to or have arrived in Southern California. No emissions testing was performed. All repairs were completed the same day with the exception of a couple because of parts but turn around was early next day," CAL Fire Spokesperson via email. “These inspections ensure all engines on an emergency scene are equipped, mechanically sound, and able to respond. This ensures our number one priority of a safe deployment for our firefighters,” the Oregon State Fire Marshal’s Office said. CAL Fire tells KATU News the safety checks are related to mechanical operations such as brakes. After passing the inspections, the teams arrived in Los Angeles and are on the fire lines now. CAL Fire posted a video on their social media channels showing out-of-state equipment undergoing these safety checks. Everyone trips up, but It's always a good idea to sanity check everything one posts from other sources. We can all do a better job fighting disinformation. It's something we either get better at doing or we perish. Edited January 11 by gehringer_2 3 1 Quote
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 You mean The Sardonic Patriot isn’t a legit source? 1 1 Quote
pfife Posted January 12 Posted January 12 If you dont post xeets from journalists then the xeets you post dont have to have standards and you win Quote
gehringer_2 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, pfife said: If you dont post xeets from journalists then the xeets you post dont have to have standards and you win Way back in the day, I was a fan of GHWB, and George Mitchell was the Democratic Senate Majority leader in opposition. And Mitchell would drive me crazy because he could calmly, analytically take apart many of the positions of the administration and most frustrating of all was that he did it without lying about the facts. Of course the truth he marshaled in his arguments were the pieces of reality that best supported his case, but they were pieces of reality none the less, you couldn't just point to Mitchell and dismiss him because anything he said was not true. So I was always impressed by what an effective adversary he was in the process. And of course he went on to succeed in the Herculean task of moderating the Irish peace talks, exactly because he was a man whose honesty was accepted by all sides. So how naive was all that? Today we know the most effective opposition is just make up anything up that sounds good, fits the 'narrative' and you know your side will love to hear. Then let your captive media segment amplify it across the world wide infosphere, into received wisdom, and you can win your case before the truth even finishes its morning yawn. 2 2 Quote
pfife Posted January 12 Posted January 12 LMAO a community note got added to the xeet. That's two hilarious xeet fails in 2 days from magaholic 1 1 Quote
oblong Posted January 12 Posted January 12 But he works in the diesel industry. Next time let’s talk to someone who works in the ladder industry. 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Look at that community notes for the win. Not bad for state media. Quote
pfife Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) Congrats to state media on wiping its own ass i guess Edited January 12 by pfife Quote
pfife Posted January 12 Posted January 12 They let the misinfo out in the first place because of cuts to DEI. Quote
romad1 Posted January 12 Author Posted January 12 1 hour ago, pfife said: Congrats to state media on wiping its own ass i guess I do not know what the context of your post is since the original material is on ignore...but this amuses me Quote
oblong Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Embers are being sent 2 miles away. You can’t fight that. Bitching about fire departments is like telling people in Florida “well if you just put up a few more sandbags….” At some point nature will win regardless of what you try to do and you just have to wait for it to stop. 1 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I will take the L on the misinformation I will do better. Believe it or not I am super sad about the fires. I spent a lot of time in LA area in the early 2000’s. Our go to spot was the Reel Inn, located in Topganga state park it was amazing. Quote
oblong Posted January 12 Posted January 12 A former member of this community had to evacuate. 1 Quote
smr-nj Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 hour ago, oblong said: A former member of this community had to evacuate. Yes, with pets (& husband). ❤️. Best of luck, Pam. We’re all thinking of you.❤️ 2 Quote
LaceyLou Posted January 12 Posted January 12 18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Way back in the day, I was a fan of GHWB, and George Mitchell was the Democratic Senate Majority leader in opposition. And Mitchell would drive me crazy because he could calmly, analytically take apart many of the positions of the administration and most frustrating of all was that he did it without lying about the facts. Of course the truth he marshaled in his arguments were the pieces of reality that best supported his case, but they were pieces of reality none the less, you couldn't just point to Mitchell and dismiss him because anything he said was not true. So I was always impressed by what an effective adversary he was in the process. And of course he went on to succeed in the Herculean task of moderating the Irish peace talks, exactly because he was a man whose honesty was accepted by all sides. So how naive was all that? Today we know the most effective opposition is just make up anything up that sounds good, fits the 'narrative' and you know your side will love to hear. Then let your captive media segment amplify it across the world wide infosphere, into received wisdom, and you can win your case before the truth even finishes its morning yawn. Debating is definitely a skill that's hard to find... especially the ability to debate calmly. It's far more common for 'debaters' to try to 'win' by shouting each other down. It's a shame because I really do love a good debate. Quote
oblong Posted January 12 Posted January 12 And it simply doesn’t matter today to half the voting populace who is right and who is wrong, factually, in a debate. The facts of the issues don’t matter anymore in terms of changing votes. 2 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Are MAGA Creatures willing to say the same about bailing out Florida, Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc for hurricane damage? What about Oklahoma, Iowa and other states in the Midwest when a Tornado hits? What's good for the goose is good for the gander... Quote
oblong Posted January 13 Posted January 13 ****ing Ron Desantis said similar things when he was in the House. Quote
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