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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Back in your bad old day, a high school dropout could walk in the front door at Ford's or Chrysler's and get a job that would support an entire family. 😉

My father showed up to the Ford plant in Shelby Township in 1973 hungover and got a job and retired in 2003. He's been collecting a pension almost as long as he was an active employee. 

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13 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Back in your bad old day, a high school dropout could walk in the front door at Ford's or Chrysler's and get a job that would support an entire family. 😉

there is a definite tension over this kind of issue on a larger scale which I think drives a lot of middle/lower class frustration that has led to Trump. Society has both an obligation to the individual's rights, but also to social order, and I think there is strong undercurrent of feeling that we too easily sacrifice the social order rights of the many for the sake of the liberty of the few, who too often don't benefit anyway. That we have lost the 'ordered' part of the 'ordered liberty' concept of the founders. I don't necessarily want to litigate the truth of falsity of that sensibility, but just to recognize that it's something with a pervasive presence out there.

It's the lower classes that have to deal with the social dysfunction while the upper classes can go live in their gated communities and send their kids to private or gilded suburban schools, ergo  unpopularlity/resentment about politics considered liberal/progressive 'preaching.'

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1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

My father showed up to the Ford plant in Shelby Township in 1973 hungover and got a job and retired in 2003. He's been collecting a pension almost as long as he was an active employee. 

A friends dad wasn’t even a US citizen. He was born in Canada, never became a citizen, joined the army, got out and slipped through the cracks somehow. The UAW guy either did some paperwork shuffling or nobody cared.  Worked 45 years and is still going strong in his 90s. 

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1 hour ago, oblong said:

A friends dad wasn’t even a US citizen. He was born in Canada, never became a citizen, joined the army, got out and slipped through the cracks somehow. The UAW guy either did some paperwork shuffling or nobody cared.  Worked 45 years and is still going strong in his 90s. 

Careful, now ... you don't want to out the guy and get his busted and deported ... 😉

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25 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Careful, now ... you don't want to out the guy and get his busted and deported ... 😉

I know a couple of people who are going through that now. Both have been in the country for decades.

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19 hours ago, LaceyLou said:

I know a couple of people who are going through that now. Both have been in the country for decades.

I have got a whole bunch of international students who may be going through somethig similar soon if they can't get jobs quickly after graduation.  They have only been here a short time, but these are hard working, motivated students who could definitely help employers.  Many of them are from war torn countries, some are on asylum, so I have a lot of very anxious students this semester.     

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Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

After immigrants, who's the next target? It won't be billionaires.

People with disabilities? Elderly people?  They are not useful to billionaires.  

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