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[Motown Bombers]

Good

 

[mtutiger]

Ohio's gerrymander is dead on arrival.... this potentially takes a 13-2 map and puts something like 9-6 on the table for Democrats, depending on how the court draws.

Edited January 14, 2022 by mtutiger

[buddha]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

Ohio's gerrymander is dead on arrival.... this potentially takes a 13-2 map and puts something like 9-6 on the table for Democrats, depending on how the court draws.

one republican judge broke party ranks and sided with the democrat judges and threw out the map.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[1776]

“When national Democrats talk to the country they always seem to be talking to themselves. They are of the left, as is their constituency, which wins the popular vote in presidential elections; the mainstream media through which they send their messages is of the left; the academics, historians and professionals they consult are of the left. They get in the habit of talking to themselves, in their language, in a single, looped conversation. They have no idea how they sound to the non-left, so they have no idea when they are damaging themselves.” - Peggy Noonan

I am lukewarm on Noonan but I agree with her point here. In fact, I wonder if Peg has been trolling the Motown Politics Forum. 

 

[mtutiger]

28 minutes ago, 1776 said:

“When national Democrats talk to the country they always seem to be talking to themselves. They are of the left, as is their constituency, which wins the popular vote in presidential elections; the mainstream media through which they send their messages is of the left; the academics, historians and professionals they consult are of the left. They get in the habit of talking to themselves, in their language, in a single, looped conversation. They have no idea how they sound to the non-left, so they have no idea when they are damaging themselves.” - Peggy Noonan

I am lukewarm on Noonan but I agree with her point here. In fact, I wonder if Peg has been trolling the Motown Politics Forum. 

 

I guess I'm unclear as to how this is unique to the left. In general, we have a lot of people across the spectrum who don't do a great job listening to the other side or respecting their views.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Just a friendly reminder that before there was Bernie, there was Dr. King, as America's most prominent Democratic Socialist. Dr. King understood that a free society was an equitable society. He understood the challenges brought and the strife people faced on by having a society of two Americas, one of economic haves and another of have nots. He understood how massively capitalism was failing the working class and working poor.

In 1967 Dr. King gave a very important, yet less famous, speech to students and faculty at Stanford University that has come to be known as "The Other America" speech. In it he talked about income inequality, poverty, and helping those less fortunate and the very poor. He said it is much easier to integrate a lunch counter than it is to guarantee a livable income and good, solid job.

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad

[Mr.TaterSalad]

I firmly believe in my heart if Dr. King were alive to vote in 2016 or 2020 he would have voted for Bernie Sanders.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[CMRivdogs]

Meanwhile, Gov Trumpkin has promised to finance a new facility for the Washington Deadthings....

[Archie]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Election security and integrity is a good thing. 

[CMRivdogs]

32 minutes ago, Archie said:

Election security and integrity is a good thing. 

So what do you really know about Virginia election integrity and security. They already require ID, absentee ballots need to be signed by a witness, early voting lasts about 6 weeks. Makes it safe and convenient. Maybe too convenient for Trumpublicans.

By the way, the current guy won the nomination after the party rigged the system to clear the way for Gov Fleecevest.

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Tiger337]

 

 

[pfife]

I think the best is hearing the same jabronies that a year ago wanted the federal congress to overturn Brandon's landslide, now arguing against the 2 Democratic bills because they're against federal control of elections.   That's pretty awesome 

[ewsieg]

15 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

By the way, the current guy won the nomination after the party rigged the system to clear the way for Gov Fleecevest.

Just to note, rigging the system would require something done inappropriately.  A party has a right to decide the rules on how they will determine who will represent them in an election.  Rigging would be more like what Hillary Clinton and the DNC did to Sanders.

[Motown Bombers]

Hilary Clinton defeated Bernie Sanders by 3 million votes. 

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Just to note, rigging the system would require something done inappropriately.  A party has a right to decide the rules on how they will determine who will represent them in an election.  Rigging would be more like what Hillary Clinton and the DNC did to Sanders.

https://ballotpedia.org/Virginia_gubernatorial_election,_2021_(May_8_Republican_convention)#Conventions_in_Virginia_.282021.29

The whole point of the "convention" was to prevent Amanda Chase fro getting the nomination. If they had held a primary like they historically do she would have likely been the nominee. 

It's their party and they can do what they want. Youngkin was a better candidate in the long run.

It really doesn't matter, the country is doomed 

quick edit. 

I am a big fan of ranked choice. If it's an actual election.

Edited January 19, 2022 by CMRivdogs

[ewsieg]

32 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Hilary Clinton and the DNC defeated Bernie Sanders by 3 million votes. 

Fixed that for you.

[Motown Bombers]

Unfortunately Bernie Sanders started this rigged election conspiracy that Trump picked up and ran with. There were a few pages Trump took out of the Bernie Sanders playbook. 

[buddha]

On 1/17/2022 at 3:22 PM, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I firmly believe in my heart if Dr. King were alive to vote in 2016 or 2020 he would have voted for Bernie Sanders.

i firmly believe that if dr king were alive today he would support the candidates that i support.

says everyone.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

9 minutes ago, buddha said:

i firmly believe that if dr king were alive today he would support the candidates that i support.

says everyone.

Yes but King himself was if not a democratic socialist, a sympathizer judging by his words and actions. Hypothetical yes, but if you looked at how King viewed the world and where he stood on social and economic issues, including his praise of democratic socialism, it's very probable he would have voted for Sanders. We know King voted for Johnson and was a key supporter of his anti-poverty programs in The Great Society.

[buddha]

3 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Yes but King himself was if not a democratic socialist, a sympathizer judging by his words and actions. Hypothetical yes, but if you looked at how King viewed the world and where he stood on social and economic issues, including his praise of democratic socialism, it's very probable he would have voted for Sanders. We know King voted for Johnson and was a key supporter of his anti-poverty programs in The Great Society.

i think its just as likely that king would have supported kamala harris, barack obama, and tried to get stacey abrams to run than he would have supported your old white man candidate.

[buddha]

nobody knows what king would have done and what he would think.  people's opinions change as their circumstances change.  as people get older their opinions change.

king would be almost 100 years old today.  the world is much different now than it was in 1968 and we have no idea what he would think today.

what we do know is that in 1968 he was in line with the bernie sanders liberal democratic economic crowd.  in fact, he was probably left of bernie.  i find the attempts by conservatives and republicans to portray him as some sort of race and economic neutral to be hilarious.