chasfh Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Correct. Maybe you add Colt Keith or Izaac Pacheco to the list, although it's may not be smart to deal either of them either long term. I do think Chas is a little harsh on Flores.... he doesn't show up on Pipeline, but does appear on other lists IIRC Unless you think Flores can return a solid starting position player—and if so I would ask you to explain how that would work—I don't think I'm being harsh at all by opining that the player he returns would be only as advanced as he is, which is unnumbered prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Unless you think Flores can return a solid starting position player—and if so I would ask you to explain how that would work—I don't think I'm being harsh at all by opining that the player he returns would be only as advanced as he is, which is unnumbered prospect. Depends on the list - he's unnumbered on Pipeline, but did crack BA's list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Depends on the list - he's unnumbered on Pipeline, but did crack BA's list. Flores is #3 on Pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Longgone said: Flores is #3 on Pipeline. Chas is referring to Pipeline's Overall Top 100 list.... Flores is unranked on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Longgone said: Flores is #3 on Pipeline. Chas is referring to Pipeline's Overall Top 100 list.... Flores is unranked on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, chasfh said: Sig Mejdal is the keynote speaker at the SABR conference here in Baltimore. He described how much or a self-imposed hole the Orioles were in: multiple 100-loss seasons, terrible farm system, no analytics, utilizing the best practices of the 80s. Sound familiar? He said he and others were brought on board to overhaul and modernize their systems to start competing in 2018. They appear to start turning the corner this July of 2022. So perhaps that is telling us what our own timeline will be, and that’s dependent on whether we do it right in the first place. I am not convinced that Baltimore's surge in wins this year is any sign that BAL has figured out development. Maybe thet have figured out development, but if they have, this year's Major League team performance doesnt seem like an indication of it. Other than AR, who was a consensus pick, I am not aware of any starters this year who were drafted/developed by the current FO/org who has helped launched the Orioles to success this year relative to last year. Edited August 18, 2022 by sabretooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Chas is referring to Pipeline's Overall Top 100 list.... Flores is unranked on that list. Ahh, okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrotigers Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 3:13 PM, chasfh said: I don't think Soto gets us a solid position player in return. Eduardo Rodriguez might get us a return provided (1) the Tigers send eight figures in cash along with him to seal the deal; and (2) he will have to prove he can stay on the roster. Yeah, that's why I threw the deadline caveat in there. Obviously his value is trash right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Wily Peralta's contract incentives aren't public, but it wouldn't shock me if he had one coming at 40 IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Thread... seems like it all worked out and he's welcomed back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 RJ Anderson of MLB.com ranks the top 3 and worst 3 rebuilds currently. Best 3: 1. Arizona. 2. Cincinnati 3. Pittsburgh Worst 3: 1. Detroit 2. Oakland 3. KC https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-prospect-watch-ranking-baseballs-three-best-and-three-worst-ongoing-rebuilds/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Tigers sending Norris to the Pen. I will go out on a very short limb and predict it will be a pointless move as he will fail there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 That's cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Tigers sending Norris to the Pen. I will go out on a very short limb and predict it will be a pointless move as he will fail there again. Fetter will turn him into a good reliever. Then he'll have TJ surgery next May. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 12 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Tigers sending Norris to the Pen. I will go out on a very short limb and predict it will be a pointless move as he will fail there again. 4 man rotation because of all the off-days. Don't need a 5th starter until September 3 (assuming full health, which is dumb). It makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: That's cute Because after 20+ years of Avila our systems are a complete mess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Can Cody ask this question directly to Hinch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 In regards to the Tigers pitching injuries it seems like every day I watch a game and look at the news crawl at the bottom of the screen there is some pitcher throughout the league getting a TJ or various other surgeries so it appears to not just be a Tigers problem. Unfortunately for us it is top guys like Mize and Skubal getting the injuries instead of lesser players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: 4 man rotation because of all the off-days. Don't need a 5th starter until September 3 (assuming full health, which is dumb). It makes sense. Norris' stuff in the last two games as a starter is better than T Alexanders, plus Tyler has proven he can be useful working in relief. They need to be in in evaluation mode with everyone. They already (should) know Norris will fail in the pen. Edited August 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, sabretooth said: Because after 20+ years of Avila our systems are a complete mess To that end, none of this seems particularly surprising. People will be enraged, as they should, but Al is now gone. The question is what, if anything, they (and presumably whoever they hire to replace Al) do to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 58 minutes ago, mtutiger said: To that end, none of this seems particularly surprising. People will be enraged, as they should, but Al is now gone. The question is what, if anything, they (and presumably whoever they hire to replace Al) do to fix it. Yeah, what surprised me was to see people defending AA up to this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I defended up until the start of last year only cause I believed the stuff he was saying 5 years back about all the revamps they were making to the player development and analytical side of things and I wanted to give him a couple years to see how that transpired but when the only real breakout in the system was Skubal(in terms of being a legit top prospect) coupled with guys either being stagnant or going backwards I turned against him. There were other things that turned me against him as well but that was the major thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, sabretooth said: Yeah, what surprised me was to see people defending AA up to this year. If the FO had been right about Schoop, Candelario, Castro, Barnhart, Grossman, Meadows, and Mize/Skubal/Faedo/Rodriguez don't go down, this might have been a successful year and it would have covered whatever issues there are in the org for more time. By the same token right now, as bad as things may be, they look even worse because this season has been such a perfect storm of disaster. But what has happened this season is a combination of misjudgment of talent or mismanagement of same. Either way the buck stopped with Al for those things. The only question left for me is whether mismanagement was significant and how much lies at Hinch's door. In the end I doubt it matters as I don't see Ilitch eating Hinch's contract at least through the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 5 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: In regards to the Tigers pitching injuries it seems like every day I watch a game and look at the news crawl at the bottom of the screen there is some pitcher throughout the league getting a TJ or various other surgeries so it appears to not just be a Tigers problem. Unfortunately for us it is top guys like Mize and Skubal getting the injuries instead of lesser players. steve stone was on the sox game talking about how so many pitchers are relying so heavily on sliders and that's why there have been so many injuries to pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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