oblong Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: It's another one of those things like not staying outside the line as you go to 1st, somewhere along the line you have to learn that you stay on outside of the 1st base line and turn toward the stands after you run through. Sure they could make it a judgment call for the ref and a play like this might go the other way, but why when all guys have to do is learn to do it right and eliminate the need for the Umpire to have guess about it? I don't have much sympathy for guys who can't learn simple easy rules and then bitch about it. That’s how I see it. It’s not a bang bang play or something you can’t totally control, like a skate in the crease. If you saw an overhead shot he would curve towards that side of the field. This happened to Baltimore at Comerica Park. Runner stepped towards that side then immediately ran back into foul territory, knowing what he did. Miggy saw it. Tagged him out. Showalter ejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerNation Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, oblong said: What is your take on this? I don’t know the rule and don’t feel like looking it up but I’m pretty sure it’s not a judgement call b/c I have seen guys called out for walking back after they simply turned to the left, after stopping, instead of right, to go back to the bag. His right foot ends up closer to that side of the field as he’s stopping. Sorry but that’s what you have to do in order to be able to run past the bag. I had a play like that in little league, except I knew I fucked up right away and raced back to the base and beat the tag. In the stands my dad also realized right away and commented to my mom that I was going to have to get back to the base. Embarrassing mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretooth Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 11 hours ago, oblong said: I read about a study that said the best thing to do after a trauma is to play a game like Tetris. The focus of the mind helps block the trauma from settling in. I think things like ping pong and even redundant video games help like you say. In college I had a sega genesis and would play NHL 94, Madden, and Sonic between study breaks. Well… between the time I should have been studying. Gives you time to reset and think. That makes sense, though I wonder if for some it might be better to use a no-tech/low-tech de-stress technique, just to cut down on screen/eyes/brain interaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 10 hours ago, oblong said: What is your take on this? I don’t know the rule and don’t feel like looking it up but I’m pretty sure it’s not a judgement call b/c I have seen guys called out for walking back after they simply turned to the left, after stopping, instead of right, to go back to the bag. His right foot ends up closer to that side of the field as he’s stopping. Sorry but that’s what you have to do in order to be able to run past the bag. I played first base for six years from 11-16. I looked for the runner to do that every time. It never happened which says that even young kids know the rule very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 10 hours ago, oblong said: What is your take on this? I don’t know the rule and don’t feel like looking it up but I’m pretty sure it’s not a judgement call b/c I have seen guys called out for walking back after they simply turned to the left, after stopping, instead of right, to go back to the bag. His right foot ends up closer to that side of the field as he’s stopping. Sorry but that’s what you have to do in order to be able to run past the bag. I think Myers dug his own grave on this one by running inside the line down to first in what could be fairly interpreted as an attempt to impede the throw from the pitcher. Technically, if a batter does that, he should be called out just for running in fair territory, but umpires are loathe to call that unless it’s really super obvious. This might have been an attempt by the umpire to punish Myers for that by calling he turned toward second, which his upper body did by rotating maybe, what, 10 degrees to the left? If Myers would have had at least his right foot on the foul line while running down, he might have avoided the out call entirely even with the exact same body movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 11 hours ago, Jim Cowan said: Learn to do it correctly when you are 10. Yes, I remember learning this at an early age. When I coached, we worked on this in one of the first few practices of the seasons. We would have the base coaches, and we would run through 1B on hits and on running through outs or close plays. See the bag, listen for the coach's voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I played first base for six years from 11-16. I looked for the runner to do that every time. It never happened which says that even young kids know the rule very well. What kind of conversations did you have whilst holding the runner on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, chasfh said: I think Myers dug his own grave on this one by running inside the line down to first in what could be fairly interpreted as an attempt to impede the throw from the pitcher. Technically, if a batter does that, he should be called out just for running in fair territory, but umpires are loathe to call that unless it’s really super obvious. This might have been an attempt by the umpire to punish Myers for that by calling he turned toward second, which his upper body did by rotating maybe, what, 10 degrees to the left? If Myers would have had at least his right foot on the foul line while running down, he might have avoided the out call entirely even with the exact same body movements. When he first crossed the bag his right foot was on the line but a step or two later it’s off the line a few inches. There’s your movement towards 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, oblong said: When he first crossed the bag his right foot was on the line but a step or two later it’s off the line a few inches. There’s your movement towards 2nd. It was a smart play by the defender. I really didn't pick up on any movement towards 2B but then I didn't see what the umpire saw. Its probably one of those plays where, from the angle posted here, it could have gone either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsb623 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 12 hours ago, oblong said: BS call on the umpire. There has to be some sort of an attempt or slight movement towards 2B, I watched this over several times and a little shoulder move or being off the line does not count. The player can return to the base by turning to the left. He is out all day with even the slightest movement towards 2B. The only thing I see working against the runner is the 1B coach motioning him back to the bag probably gave the umpire some ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatikIEV Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Just curious if anyone caught the audio/live mic mid 9th inning on yesterday's game (Aug 30th vs Seattle) when there was supposed to be a commercial. Down 9-2, we were treated to not only a Craig Monroe solo ("pour me another round, line 'em up and knock 'em down"), but Mickey York saying, "he might as well be pushing meth," just before doing a live segment on the post game. If interested, I have the clip still...although I confess to never actually uploading anything to the site here. Edited August 31, 2022 by StatikIEV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, StatikIEV said: Just curious if anyone caught the audio/live mic mid 9th inning on yesterday's game (Aug 30th vs Seattle) when there was supposed to be a commercial. Down 9-2, we were treated to not only a Craig Monroe solo ("pour me another round, line 'em up and knock 'em down"), but Mickey York saying, "he might as well be pushing meth," just before doing a live segment on the post game. If interested, I have the clip still...although I confess to never actually uploading anything to the site here. Yup totally busted but they kept straight faces during their segment haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 hours ago, chasfh said: I think Myers dug his own grave on this one by running inside the line down to first in what could be fairly interpreted as an attempt to impede the throw from the pitcher. Technically, if a batter does that, he should be called out just for running in fair territory, but umpires are loathe to call that unless it’s really super obvious. This might have been an attempt by the umpire to punish Myers for that by calling he turned toward second, which his upper body did by rotating maybe, what, 10 degrees to the left? If Myers would have had at least his right foot on the foul line while running down, he might have avoided the out call entirely even with the exact same body movements. Inside the base only matter if there is contact. He did not attempt nor feign attempt for second. Bad call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 Devil We Know alert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Why didn’t they fix him like the Braves did with grossman ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, oblong said: Why didn’t they fix him like the Braves did with grossman ? Because Houston's analytics department only teaches trash can banging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) He’s out for the season because of course he’s out for the season. Edited September 2, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 The Meadows thing reeks of painkiller addiction, which is a serious thing and doesn't deserve scorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Edman85 said: The Meadows thing reeks of painkiller addiction, which is a serious thing and doesn't deserve scorn. It shouldn't deserve scorn regardless... hopefully he recovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Hope for the best for him. Its good to see people of some fame and notoriety use their place in life and platforms to be honest that just because they can hit a fastball or drain a 3 and get paid handsomely for it, it doesn’t mean that they are anyone else is immune to times of difficulty. “Hey, I’m going through this, but I’m working through it with professionals, and if anyone reading this needs help, go find it, the resources are out there.” You have to appreciate people that will open up like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Edman85 said: The Meadows thing reeks of painkiller addiction, which is a serious thing and doesn't deserve scorn. The comment was about the Tigers damn terrible luck. It would not have mattered to our season one way or the other anyway, but wouldn’t it have been nice to have him come back for the last month? But no, we can’t, because of course we can’t have even one goddamn good thing. Edited September 2, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, chasfh said: The comment was about the Tigers damn terrible luck. Yeah, I wasn't really going at you. Just trying to stem the tide before people dump on him. https://www.amazon.com/Bigger-Than-Game-Restitching-League/dp/0806534877 Good book on this topic from somebody who lived it if anybody is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Yeah, I wasn't really going at you. Just trying to stem the tide before people dump on him. Would have been nice if this consideration was given to ERod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share Posted September 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Would have been nice if this consideration was given to ERod. Eduardo Rodriguez and his camp deserved all the criticism they got for ghosting the team for those several weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, chasfh said: Eduardo Rodriguez and his camp deserved all the criticism they got for ghosting the team for those several weeks. Sure. But also it was an assumption of many that he would be gone or wouldn't be a factor for the remainder of his contract. Despite any lack of knowledge or insight on his situation. In the meantime, he appears to be back and contributing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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