mtutiger Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Wentz outing fairly encouraging down in Toledo.... struck out eight in a row at one point. Would not be surprised to see him make his major league debut in next couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: A lost season of development is brutal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFCFM Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 You will never see players like this again. Too soft and coddled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 John Rosengren did a really good biography on the Hebrew Hammer for anyone interested. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I know I'm getting way ahead of myself but I have a lot of confidence in Fetter/ Hinch being able to get above average pitching out of thin so Hypothetically if Mize and Manning come back strong and look good the rest of the year should we consider trading one or both for a bat(s)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I know I'm getting way ahead of myself but I have a lot of confidence in Fetter/ Hinch being able to get above average pitching out of thin so Hypothetically if Mize and Manning come back strong and look good the rest of the year should we consider trading one or both for a bat(s)? Do you mean actuals bats or ball players that know how to use said bats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I know I'm getting way ahead of myself but I have a lot of confidence in Fetter/ Hinch being able to get above average pitching out of thin so Hypothetically if Mize and Manning come back strong and look good the rest of the year should we consider trading one or both for a bat(s)? Previously would have said no, now, I don't know about them specifically (all depends on the return), but they appear to have depth in pitching that they do not have in terms of position players coming up through the system where they definitely could look at trading pitchers and returning players that could help them offensively. Edited May 6, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) It might be too early to pull the trigger on a trade involving Mize or Manning, since you generally don’t want to sell low on a struggling green asset, but it’s probably not too early to hypothesize that Tairik Skubal might have established himself as the best and most dominating of the three young pitchers. Edited May 7, 2022 by chasfh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, chasfh said: It might be too early to pull the trigger on a trade involving Mize or Manning, since you generally don’t want to sell low on a struggling green asset, but it’s probably not too early to hypothesize that Tairik Skubal might have established himself as the best and most dominating of the three young pitchers. probably, but I want to see where Manning tops out. TBH, considering he was trying to get by on two pitches early, Brieske may have a damn high ceiling. With the spin on the FB keeping guys swinging under it, once he started mixing in some off speed other than the change he shut Houston down - 1 hit in his last 3 IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 There is no such thing as pitching depth! But that's kind of why you need bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I don't know how much more time Al Avila should get. Theo Epstein is out there and he dropped some hints that some people may think were about the Tigers. I'd pay him whatever he wanted and give him total control, but I think we all know that winning is not really part of Chris Illitch's plan, so he won't bend over backwards to do it. I don't think he'll get very creative and he'll stick with the guy that does what he's told. This city is just beat down with their sports teams right now. We need someone, anyone to just make a playoff. I don't think with 4 pro teams that's asking very much. I think the Lions are building it right but they need 2 more years and I'm not sure on Campbell yet. The Pistons have a potential superstar and hopefully the draft lottery gives them another one and they could be in the playoffs next year. The Red Wings have some young studs and probably as red-ass coach coming along and some more youngsters on the way (Read between the lines with Yzerman - he's not going for any big free agents this year, so probably no Stamkos). So we had a little hope with the Tigers, but..... It won't be the Tigers this year.......and I didn't realistically think it would be, but I thought I would accept that realization in August, not May 7th. We should have seen the bad karma coming the second Greene got hurt. Now Kreidler with a lost season. A lot of us said that you need 8 starting pitchers going into a season. The 5 you start with and 3 guys that can step in. We've already used 8 and we'll probably need another one before Mize and Manning come back (if they come back this year). Ugh. It's just been brutal. That along with the shittiest Spring ever (so far) has made this a very depressing time around here. Maybe its a case of every little thing going wrong at the same time, but this lineup looks lifeless. 4 starters and 1 platoon starter hitting under .200. I didn't think there was any chance they could start as badly as 9-24 again, but they are right on track for that. It's sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 It does seem now that the Greene injury was ominous ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said: It does seem now that the Greene injury was ominous ......... A red flag the size of Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 From 1984 through about 2014 we had it pretty good here. We always had one of our team (not named the Lions) as a legitimate championship contender and we got to the finals 5 times with the Pistons, 5 times with the Wings and 3 times with the Tigers, and in many of those years we got as close as the semi-finals. Even 2014 the Tigers were a legit contender (thanks Brad). We had it sooooo good here and now, when was the last time a Detroit team even made the playoffs, much less won a playoff game. We're closing in on a full decade. The 70's weren't even that bad, and the 70's were fucking bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 The thing about the Riley Greene injury, unfortunate as it is, is that I dont know that their record is any different if he wasnt injured. Just as I dont know their record is any different if they sign Correa over Baez, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The thing about the Riley Greene injury, unfortunate as it is, is that I dont know that their record is any different if he wasnt injured. Just as I dont know their record is any different if they sign Correa over Baez, etc. We don't know how good Greene would have been initially. Many top prospects struggle at first no matter how good they hit in the minors. We do not know that he would have hit better than Meadows. His defense probably would have helped, but it's not like he is an elite defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Al Al has been a good soldier...give him the Devellano treatment. Slide him to the side with executive duties and make Epstein your GM in charge of personnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 As frustrating as this season has been to me the saving grace is that even if we think the guys on the team aren't as good as people may have thought before the year they can't possibly be THIS bad. Like if we had this same record and the guys were hitting say .700 to 725 OPS I would actually be more concerned cause there may not be much room for improvement from there but that's not the case. Coming into this game they were at .602 right now and on pace for less HRs than Bonds hit by himself one year. There's no way they are actually this bad so sooner or later they will start to hit and hopefully when they do we'll take advantage of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 I've suggested here before that after a couple years maybe Avila peter-principles his way into the President's job, Hinch gets the GM job, and George Lombard gets the manager's job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: As frustrating as this season has been to me the saving grace is that even if we think the guys on the team aren't as good as people may have thought before the year they can't possibly be THIS bad. Like if we had this same record and the guys were hitting say .700 to 725 OPS I would actually be more concerned cause there may not be much room for improvement from there but that's not the case. Coming into this game they were at .602 right now and on pace for less HRs than Bonds hit by himself one year. There's no way they are actually this bad so sooner or later they will start to hit and hopefully when they do we'll take advantage of it. If they don't improve, can we then blame Hinch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, bobrob2004 said: If they don't improve, can we then blame Hinch? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 This really has been the Worst-Case Scenario. The only things worse than the Tigers this year are the Reds and Home Plate Umpires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hart Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 12:38 PM, RandyMarsh said: I know I'm getting way ahead of myself but I have a lot of confidence in Fetter/ Hinch being able to get above average pitching out of thin so Hypothetically if Mize and Manning come back strong and look good the rest of the year should we consider trading one or both for a bat(s)? I would love to trade Mize for a bat but I think his value is pretty low right now. We need a legit bat and the Tigers would have to part with Skubal to make that happen. Would Pittsburgh do something like Mize, Baddoo, and a B grade prospect for Brian Reynolds? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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