gehringer_2 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, kdog said: https://theathletic.com/3350347/2022/06/06/tigers-elvin-rodriguez-tipping-pitches/ Cody made a typo, the Ranger's series is June 16th. For a minute I thought maybe Cody had taken some Henning pills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) For those that 13 hours ago, kdog said: https://theathletic.com/3350347/2022/06/06/tigers-elvin-rodriguez-tipping-pitches/ That was cool of Rizzo to tell Barnhart after the fact that they indeed picked up on him tipping pitches and it confirms what eagle eye Jomboy thought. Of course that is assuming the giveaway was the long look at 3rd like suggested in the video and not something else that we couldn't get a good look at from the CF camera. Edited June 7, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 Yeah, I definitely do not want to trade this guy for prospects just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: Yeah, I definitely do not want to trade this guy for prospects just yet. I thought about posting this yesterday.... it's media hype to an extent, but it's an example of how qualitative data can enhance quantitative data. Put another way, it's one thing to see his advanced statistics, but he is passing the eye test as well. Edited June 7, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Yeah, I definitely do not want to trade this guy for prospects just yet. Wow that looks fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Wow that looks fake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, chasfh said: Yeah, I definitely do not want to trade this guy for prospects just yet. check the stickum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidsb623 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Side note - Zack Short has 10 more RBIs at Toledo than anyone on the Tigers major league roster (Disclaimer - this is neither an endorsement or a promotion request of Zack Short, just a sharing of information). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 So Mize is getting a 2nd opinion? I assume that's bad? Or precaution? I missed the news. just saw it on the ticker last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, kdog said: But baseball fans are into statistics, and the numbers say when a guy can't pitch because his elbow is barking the likelihood of surgery is quite high. You don't need to see the MRIs to know the odds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: But baseball fans are into statistics, and the numbers say when a guy can't pitch because his elbow is barking the likelihood of surgery is quite high. You don't need to see the MRIs to know the odds! When a pitcher has a bad elbow or shoulder for an extended period of time, the odds are never good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: When a pitcher has a bad elbow or shoulder for an extended period of time, the odds are never good! OTOH, Masahiro Tanaka is still pitching in Japan and as far as I know never did have his UCL replaced despite a TJ diagnosis. Edited June 8, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: OTOH, Masahiro Tanaka is still pitching in Japan and as far as I know never did have his UCL replaced despite a TJ diagnosis. Didn't Clayton Kershaw famously manage to avoid TJ as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: OTOH, Masahiro Tanaka is still pitching in Japan and as far as I know never did have his UCL replaced despite a TJ diagnosis. Tanaka was an interesting case. He wasn't as good after the injury, but he was still pretty good without getting surgery. Probabilities are never 100%. Even the probabiliy of fully recovering from surgery is far from 100%. The probability of recovering and then staying healthy and durable is even less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 to put tork's struggles in perspective, adley rutchman (the #1 prospect in baseball) is hitting .145 with no power. it takes time for most players to get acclimated to the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, buddha said: to put tork's struggles in perspective, adley rutchman (the #1 prospect in baseball) is hitting .145 with no power. it takes time for most players to get acclimated to the majors. Also Jo Adell and Jarred Kellenic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Going into today's game, the top 9 Tiger players by WAR (BR) are all pitchers. The 10th was javy. Edited June 8, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Christian Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Probably time to send Torkelson down to see if he can get his shit together. Very disappointing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Dave Christian said: Probably time to send Torkelson down to see if he can get his shit together. Very disappointing! Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but he also hit a missile for a double last night to drive in a run.... nearly left the yard. He's gonna have his ups and downs, but he's better than the alternatives and it doesn't seem like his confidence is hurt or anything, so no issue with him learning in the bigs 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but he also hit a missile for a double last night to drive in a run.... nearly left the yard. He's gonna have his ups and downs, but he's better than the alternatives and it doesn't seem like his confidence is hurt or anything, so no issue with him learning in the bigs Torkelson has the fourth highest OPS+ on the team. He's not raking at all but odd to single him out as a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 So, today is the first day of All Star Voting.... I can't vote for any Tigers because the only deserving folks are in the pitching staff (ie. Skubal, Lange, maybe Vest) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleMike Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 59 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Going into today's game, the top 9 Tiger players by WAR (BR) are all pitchers. The 10th was javy. Wily Peralta is third, with a 0.8 BR WAR. The guy has pitched 22 innings with a walk rate of 5.2 BB/9 and he has the third highest WAR on the team? Bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but he also hit a missile for a double last night to drive in a run.... nearly left the yard. He's gonna have his ups and downs, but he's better than the alternatives and it doesn't seem like his confidence is hurt or anything, so no issue with him learning in the bigs Tork has been worth his weight just in the number of bad throws he has already saved. I've only seen him lose one so far and Jeimer and Javy have both had him working hard most of the time. I don't know what kind of glove Pete Alonso had with the Mets last season but with the Cubs Javy had Rizzo at 1st. If he threw in Chi like he throws here, Rizzo must have saved him a lot of errors as well. Javy's not uncatchable wild, and clearly the arm is a cannon, but he almost never makes a straight at the chest throw to 1st either. Edited June 8, 2022 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Christian Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 31 minutes ago, SeattleMike said: Torkelson has the fourth highest OPS+ on the team. He's not raking at all but odd to single him out as a problem. Any starter that can't hit is a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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