John_Brian_K Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 This season has been pretty brutal to watch. Last nights game really took the wind out of my sails. I was hoping for around .500. Knowing that will not happen and just trying to figure out what is going on has been maddening. They could have turned a corner and been a slightly above .500 team or they could have gone the other way, but this? Just about every hitter is doing well below what you would expect. When things are good the clubhouse is good, when things start to go bad....maybe they just kept spiraling until we got to this. I have never heard about Baez being that bad of a team mate, but something is definitely off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) The ironic thing is that the fact that our guys are having such horrible years may be the best thing for Avila. For arguments sake lets pretend that Chris actually gives a shit about the team and is indeed thinking of firing Al. He may be able to convince Chris that these guys are off to such flukishly bad starts that nobody could have foreseen coming which is why the team is losing and once those stats correct themselves the team will turn it around. On the other hand if the guys were performing at or near their personal expectations AND the team was still losing Al would have no excuse, it would show that he constructed a team that wasn't capable of winning even when the players are performing to expectations. Edited June 16, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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casimir Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Guess I'm not sure how people expect rebuilds to go? It's going to be for a few years before it gets better. I think the problem is the Tigers just don't seem to have the depth of the talent they should have after going through 4 years of tanking. How long is supposed to take? How many seasons of below .400 baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, casimir said: How long is supposed to take? How many seasons of below .400 baseball? Using the Houston Astros model, four seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Should also add that in 2015 and 2016 the Astros won 86 and 84 games. Not exactly championship caliber but the 86 wins was enough to earn a wildcard. Luhnow took over in 2012 after they lost 106 games and got them to contention by 2017. It took five years not including all the bad years prior to Luhnow. Fans want rebuilds until they actually have to go through them. My issue is that it doesn't seem like the Tigers have the depth of talent that Houston did after four years of rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Using the Houston Astros model, four seasons. took the cubs 4 years too. this is detroit's sixth season of rebuilding. #fireavila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 also took the white sox four years. but those teams had gm's who traded assets for good young players who served as building blocks for their 90+ win teams. the tigers did not do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, casimir said: How long is supposed to take? How many seasons of below .400 baseball? Until Chris appeases the Gods and does what he promised at District Detroit. This is punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Using the Houston Astros model, four seasons. Oh, ok. So it’ll be a carbon copy then, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Should also add that in 2015 and 2016 the Astros won 86 and 84 games. Not exactly championship caliber but the 86 wins was enough to earn a wildcard. Luhnow took over in 2012 after they lost 106 games and got them to contention by 2017. It took five years not including all the bad years prior to Luhnow. Fans want rebuilds until they actually have to go through them. My issue is that it doesn't seem like the Tigers have the depth of talent that Houston did after four years of rebuilding. That's the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Evolution of Hinch watching Soto walk a guy, then proceed to leave him in: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 Stat of the day: More than halfway into the month of June, the Atlanta Braves are averaging 25% more home runs per game (2.5) than the number of home runs the Tigers have for the entire month (2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) Me: (Tells wife stat of the day, above) Wife: “Wow.” Me: “Yeah, Tigers suck.” Wife: “Maybe you suck for following them.” Me: “ … “ Edited June 17, 2022 by chasfh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 In her defense, she is from Green Bay, so following a team like this is hard for her to fathom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, chasfh said: Me: (Tells wife stat of the day, above) Wife: “Wow.” Me: “Yeah, Tigers suck.” Wife: “Maybe you suck for following them.” Me: “ … “ I remember being told a few times in 2003 how it was a bold move to be wearing my Tigers hat around.... It just is what it is.... I wasn't born a Dodgers fan, unfortunately. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdog Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Tigers have scored 0 or 1 run in 7 of the last 14 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motor City Sonics Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 All this talk about "we might lose AJ". That doesn't bother me like it would have 3 months ago. Sorry, I think he's checked out too............ The whole thing is sinking But the good news is......... Only 45 more 2-hit games for Riley Greene at Toledo and then can finally call him up and put him in the middle of a lineup with no good hitters, where he won't be protected and will probably flop terribly. Can't wait for that. Oh, but what until THIS year's draft. We're gonna get someone that can help us by 2027 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 By the way, if they send Torkelson down (which might be good for the guy's psyche), the only other actual first baseman they would have on the entire roster (Active or 40-man) would be Miguel Cabrera. Harold Castro (second best hitter on the team), Willi Castro, Eric Haase or Jonathan Schoop would probably play first base. Why? Because this team in all these years of drafting, have not drafted a viable first baseman. I know they had Miggy, but I think they could have planned a little better for the day Miggy became a DH. What's Jeff Larish up to? He's a career .224 hitter with a .308 OBP. He'd fit right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 honest Q... do teams draft 1B? Or do they just develop into one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motor City Sonics Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, oblong said: honest Q... do teams draft 1B? Or do they just develop into one? some do neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Mayhem Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: I remember being told a few times in 2003 how it was a bold move to be wearing my Tigers hat around.... It was a matter of pride to wear any Tigers gear back then. When I spotted anyone wearing the olde english D it would be a nod. Then 2006 happened and every dumb fan of the terrible Huge Show started wearing that gear and I was reluctant to engage in conversation with anyone who relied on that windbag for opinions on the Tigers. I stopped wearing it for a few years as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Wow, those 1908 Cardinals were as bad as my high school grade point average ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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