Motor City Sonics Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Oh my god, this guy is horrible and his shameless sidekick backs him up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Baseball-Reference has a good group of people. They take their jobs seriously, but don't take themselves seriously. A few years ago (maybe more than a few), they pranked a former MLB player by posting only his pictures on its main page for a day. I think it was Chris Singleton who was on MLB Network at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 And of course, Keith Hernandez Mustache has a page, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I'm listening to a podcast with Rod Carew as a guest. I check bbref for his stats. 18 time all star in a 19 year career. I'd have never guessed he had that many appearances, especially since he played so many seasons as a nonpower threat 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, casimir said: I'm listening to a podcast with Rod Carew as a guest. I check bbref for his stats. 18 time all star in a 19 year career. I'd have never guessed he had that many appearances, especially since he played so many seasons as a nonpower threat 1B. Batting .300 every year was good enough back then. His on base percentages were very good too, but he probably didn't deserve 18 all-star appearances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Batting .300 every year was good enough back then. His on base percentages were very good too, but he probably didn't deserve 18 all-star appearances True - Once he went to 1B, his ISO wasn't what you might hope for there, though he did keep his OPS+ above 120 until his last two seasons - he never lost his ability to work a walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Winning "the batting championship" would get you taken seriously back then, and he did it 7 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) It makes me wonder in 30-40 years from now if there will be some new metrics that are the be all end all and folks will be like "having a high ops and WAR meant everything back then." when questioning the great players of today. Edited April 19, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: It makes me wonder in 30-40 years from now if there will be some new metrics that are the be all end all and folks will be like "having a high ops and WAR meant everything back then." when questioning the great players of today. There will most likely be new fielding metrics which make today's metrics seem silly. However, there will be no way to evaluate the players of today because the data used in the future won't be available for today's players and certainly not players who played before statcast. I don't know how much more they can do with offense as far as evaluating results. There will be better predictive and scouting tools, but I think the results metrics for offense won't be that much further advanced. There might be some tweaks using more situational data, but I don't they'll be questioning today's great hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: There will most likely be new fielding metrics which make today's metrics seem silly. However, there will be no way to evaluate the players of today because the data used in the future won't be available for today's players and certainly not players who played before statcast. I don't know how much more they can do with offense as far as evaluating results. There will be better predictive and scouting tools, but I think the results metrics for offense won't be that much further advanced. There might be some tweaks using more situational data, but I don't they'll be questioning today's great hitters. Sample size will remain a problem though, the number of plays at degrees of difficulty that allow for useful rankings can be pretty rare. No matter how good your measurement tools you have to have measurements to take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: True - Once he went to 1B, his ISO wasn't what you might hope for there, though he did keep his OPS+ above 120 until his last two seasons - he never lost his ability to work a walk. His BB/SO ratios are interesting. All of his SO>BB seasons were the 6 earliest of his career. He was about even for his career. A lot of SBs but also a lot of CSs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTiger Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Those Twins teams were good and when we wonder why our 84 team did not win more consider the Twins had Carew, Oliva, Killebrew, Kaat , Allison and Dean Chance together for a stretch. Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 15 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: Those Twins teams were good and when we wonder why our 84 team did not win more consider the Twins had Carew, Oliva, Killebrew, Kaat , Allison and Dean Chance together for a stretch. Not bad. They could have been even better if they had ever found the clubhouse at Mall of America.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I saw this last night on reddit... Bill is so right too. Always bugged me about Jeter. He always did that. Both the lean back and the lean forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Kyle Farnsworth Jr pitches for Weatherford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) Rod Allen providing color for Marlins radio tonight... stopped in for a bit. Wasn't his biggest fan, particularly toward the end, but he's so much better than Morris, no contest at all Edited April 23, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/21/2022 at 3:37 PM, casimir said: Kyle Farnsworth Jr pitches for Weatherford? Kid hits like Scott Stevens of NJ Devils fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Rod Allen providing color for Marlins radio tonight... stopped in for a bit. Wasn't his biggest fan, particularly toward the end, but he's so much better than Morris, no contest at all Mario & Rod were so much better than what we have now. I think it's ridiculous that they got fired over a scuffle.......big deal. Guys that work together for a very long time are going to have some bad moments. It was totally overblown and feels like they were looking for a reason to fire those guys. I've seen guys in radio go full-on fisticuffs and end up working with each other with no other major issues. It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I don't get the cry baby-ness here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I don't get the cry baby-ness here. San Francisco put baseball on notice earlier this season. Heck, it might have been the first series of the season. They are not going to let down. They will need to be stopped. Run differential is a tie breaker for playoff eligibility (and perhaps a tie breaker for the division, I don't know), and extra runs scored now are the same as extra runs scored in September. Additionally, this is the beginning of the series. I have no problem with trying to wipe out the opponents' pitching staff for the series in the 1st game of the series. If there's an opportunity on Friday to gain an edge for Saturday and Sunday. Nobody is doing anything untoward as far as trying to injure anyone else like going in spikes up or throwing at batters' heads or anything like that. Don't like it? Do a better job of shutting the opponent down. Edited April 23, 2022 by casimir 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Fancy feet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackPine Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Fancy feet Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 23 hours ago, casimir said: San Francisco put baseball on notice earlier this season. Heck, it might have been the first series of the season. They are not going to let down. They will need to be stopped. Run differential is a tie breaker for playoff eligibility (and perhaps a tie breaker for the division, I don't know), and extra runs scored now are the same as extra runs scored in September. Additionally, this is the beginning of the series. I have no problem with trying to wipe out the opponents' pitching staff for the series in the 1st game of the series. If there's an opportunity on Friday to gain an edge for Saturday and Sunday. Nobody is doing anything untoward as far as trying to injure anyone else like going in spikes up or throwing at batters' heads or anything like that. Don't like it? Do a better job of shutting the opponent down. It's rare, but there have been 7, 8 run comebacks..........sometimes even more. Remember Brian Dozier whining that an Oriole player bunted to get on base when the Twins were up 7-0? This was not a no-hitter, it was just a shutout. Hated him ever since that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Today has a huge potential to get ugly in New York. So the announcement needs to be made and MLB needs to make sure the fans know that if one thing, just one thing, gets thrown on the field today, it's a forfeit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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