Coronavirus: Already In a Neighborhood Near You

[mtutiger]

14 hours ago, ewsieg said:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html

 

I know some are going to talk about different stats, but according to this, we're back up to #2.  How many pages of this and the motownsports page were filled with anti-Texas / anti-Florida memes/comments talking about how horrible their governors were for advocating for the vaccine, but telling people they had their own choice and fighting to ensure they had that choice, vs our governor that advocated for the vaccine and said that people maybe shouldn't have the right to not get it.  So for those trying to understand the difference, one thinks you should get it, but thinks it should be your own choice.  Whereas the other thinks you should get it, but isn't going to do much to ensure that you do in fact get it.

 

One of us complains about Texas because they actually live in this state and are subject to the policies of the government here. And yeah, while the administration (under the auspices of the Texas Department of State Health Services) does advocate for vaccination and runs ads to that effect, it's not exactly surprising that message is undermined by the various statewide elected officials going out and vice signaling on cable news and conservative radio shows.

Second of all, to the extent that the Governor is advocating for the vaccine, that support is also undermined by the fact that he wishes to impede the choices that businesses or local governments would otherwise make in terms of vaccine mandates. These guys all scream bloody murder about big government when in Washington, yet locally, they have absolutely no problem sitting in Austin and issuing dictates telling private businesses how to run their shops. 

Again, taking into account these actions, not exactly surprising that, to the extent the advocacy exists, it's overshadowed by actions that come across to a lot of people as being hostile toward getting as many people vaccinated as possible.

Edited December 13, 2021 by mtutiger

[Motor City Sonics]

This is never going to go away.   This is here for good now.    Too much ignorance to ever build herd immunity, or not quickly enough to stop it in it's tracks before it evolves, which is incredibly quickly.    Doesn't matter where it started.  Doesn't matter how it started.  It's here and it seems to me like it's never going away.   

[mtutiger]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

DeSantis was actively punishing school districts and businesses who imposed a vaccine mandate. he was withholding funding for school districts who imposed a mandate. He wasn't advocating a vaccine and Florida's peak was still worse. Florida had twice as many cases per 100k as Michigan does now. 

I think the idea here is that DeSantis / Abbott types should be rewarded or praised for going through the motions on the basics without factoring in other actions that are hostile toward businesses / local governments / schools, etc. for acting as they see fit on COVID-19.

Unsurprisingly, some people don't feel the same.

[ewsieg]

4 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

This is never going to go away.   This is here for good now.    Too much ignorance to ever build herd immunity, or not quickly enough to stop it in it's tracks before it evolves, which is incredibly quickly.    Doesn't matter where it started.  Doesn't matter how it started.  It's here and it seems to me like it's never going away.   

Even if the United States quickly became 100% vaccinated, it was always still going to be with us.  Until there is a legitimate good faith effort to ensure every person on this earth has access to vaccines, it’ll be a larger issue.

4 hours ago, mtutiger said:

I think the idea here is that DeSantis / Abbott types should be rewarded or praised for going through the motions on the basics without factoring in other actions that are hostile toward businesses / local governments / schools, etc. for acting as they see fit on COVID-19.

Unsurprisingly, some people don't feel the same.

Please don’t think I’m praising them. They are making major mistakes.  My point has never been that the GOP is handling this better, it’s that maybe either good governance may not really matter due to how powerful this issue is or maybe the “follow science” governors are making some mistakes too.  

[gehringer_2]

11 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Even if the United States quickly became 100% vaccinated, it was always still going to be with us.

I see the likely end game as once everyone has had it or been immunized it will fade from significance as a public health crisis. As it morphs it will be dealt with using updated boosters and probably some kind of ongoing booster schedule will be developed. There will be some low background of uniquely sensitive individuals or those for whom vaccination doesn't work and it will always remain a risk for them, but as a mass public health issue those numbers will be low enough not to impact normalcy.  Until we get there, those that continue to resist vaccination will get it and develop their resistance the hard way, or they will die.

[CMRivdogs]

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/hospitals-full-covid-patients-washington/281-9e983f35-579d-4ed2-8eba-99631977ab90

Wondering if this is similar in other areas. While COVID cases are up, hospitals say the real problem is finding space to transfer patients who really need other facilities. 

Lack of staffing at long care facilities, plus patients with no families to approve such moves is also playing into the bed shortage problem

[oblong]

Wife had a 93 year old patient who told the staff, in passing, that those bruises were from her family hitting her.... so yeah they had to deal with that.   She had a 22 year old covid patient too..... not intubated but still in the ICU.  No health issue history either, in other words, they 'did nothing wrong' to deserve it, as the deniers like to qualify things.

The situation in her hospitals is that ICU's are full but they've not reached the point where they are rationing other care or taking up other beds.  But they were told no time off for the forseeable future.

 

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/hospitals-full-covid-patients-washington/281-9e983f35-579d-4ed2-8eba-99631977ab90

Wondering if this is similar in other areas. While COVID cases are up, hospitals say the real problem is finding space to transfer patients who really need other facilities. 

Lack of staffing at long care facilities, plus patients with no families to approve such moves is also playing into the bed shortage problem

IDK - haven't heard this scenario described anywhere else.

[ewsieg]

4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

IDK - haven't heard this scenario described anywhere else.

It's an issue for the facility I reference that my brother works at.  They are at full capacity based on staffing levels, but way less beds in use than normal.

[ewsieg]

 

This is me today, after getting a Moderna booster after getting Pfizer originally.

[pfife]

Starting to see an increase in players getting pulled for whatever COVID restrictions and pro league games getting cancel cultured.   The jabronies on 97.1 were talking about maybe sports needs to stop testing vaccinated asymptomatic and let'em play, just like most normal workplaces don't test vaccinated asymptomatic.  

but of course that's the recipe for getting where we are right now which isn't good.

Edited December 14, 2021 by pfife

[Tigerbomb13]

18 minutes ago, pfife said:

Starting to see an increase in players getting pulled for whatever COVID restrictions and pro league games getting cancel cultured.   The jabronies on 97.1 were talking about maybe sports needs to stop testing vaccinated asymptomatic and let'em play, just like most normal workplaces don't test vaccinated asymptomatic.  

but of course that's the recipe for getting where we are right now which isn't good.

There’s a reason I hate 95 percent of sports talk radio, and this nails why. 

Edited December 14, 2021 by Tigerbomb13

[oblong]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

 

This is me today, after getting a Moderna booster after getting Pfizer originally.

That was such a big deal for us at the time. I know I am in the minority but I like the Sammy incarnation. 

[pfife]

 

[RandyMarsh]

Got my booster today, had to get moderna though instead of pfizer like I got for my first 2 shots. Other than a sore arm for one night on my first shot I had no side effects at all with the pfizer so Im hoping it goes the same for the moderna booster. 

[Motown Bombers]

I got my booster and flu shot yesterday. Other than being slammed against the car door due to the magnetic pull, I'm doing pretty well. 

[Jim Cowan]

3 hours ago, pfife said:

 

Good.  Do they have health insurance?  Pull that too.

[Hongbit]

10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I got my booster and flu shot yesterday. Other than being slammed against the car door due to the magnetic pull, I'm doing pretty well. 

I had no side effects with my booster.  
 

BTW,  have you played the new Microsoft Flight Simulator game.  It’s freaking awesome. So realistic.     Oh yeah,  make sure that you use officially licensed copies of Outlook and Excel.  I hear there are lots of new viruses being transferred with some of the copycats.

[pfife]

log4j is really a big problem right now.

[oblong]

18 minutes ago, pfife said:

log4j is really a big problem right now.

yes.

My team is working on this for some of our systems.  

 

[Motown Bombers]

9 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

Good.  Do they have health insurance?  Pull that too.

Near minimum wage employees in the US with health care? Surely you jest. 

[casimir]

15 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Near minimum wage employees in the US with health care? Surely you jest. 

It might be different now, but when I worked for Kroger (in a store as a rank & file) over 20 years ago, I was making well over minimum wage and had health care coverage.

[oblong]

I believe Kroger is a union shop.

They should build one field hospital in each state.  Staff it with the unvaxxed health care workers.  All the other hospitals set a number of covid patients they will accept in their hospitals, say 40% of existing beds, after that number is reached anyone who shows up to ar hospital because of covid that is unvaccinated gets sent to this field hospital, wherever it is in the state and they get billed for the transport.

 

 

[casimir]

12 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

Got my booster today, had to get moderna though instead of pfizer like I got for my first 2 shots. Other than a sore arm for one night on my first shot I had no side effects at all with the pfizer so Im hoping it goes the same for the moderna booster. 

My reaction to the booster was worse the previous 2 shots combined.

I had Moderna for all 3.  The first 2 there was the normal arm soreness after a flu shot.  No big deal.  I had a bit of dizziness the morning after the 2nd shot.  That was about it.

I had the normal air soreness the morning after the booster.  It gradually worked its way to pain, and I couldn't move my arm in certain ways.  Couldn't raise it fully extended above my shoulder.  It was really pretty bad (although catching myself wandering around the house with a T-rex arm was slightly & morbidly amusing).  Still sore 48-72 hours after the booster.  I also chills for a few hours that started up in the middle of the day.  I have a bit of drafty office window, and I kind of assumed that that was it at first, but that wasn't really the culprit.

But, hey, those short term side effects were known & understood and I'll take those over the possibility of being strapped to a ventilator or developing myocardia or those types of things.

[CMRivdogs]

Cudos to my family members who felt it was in our best interest in calling off a gathering this weekend. I think we are all vaccinated, but one of my sisters and sister in law made the call that it was just too dicey to have a bunch of people in a smallish house.

TBH it is bittersweet since part of the gathering was to remember my youngest brother who passed away last month after a lengthy illness. But we'll still see him in our dreams....