Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: The flu kills nowhere near a few hundred thousand a year. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal) 300,000 to 600,000 annually. https://www.health.com/condition/flu/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Fox Wismic said: Smoking is also banned in a lot of private places, which is not a good thing. I don't smoke and I don't like being around other's smoke, but oppressive govt is more dangerous than cigarettes. Most cases of AIDS are still connected to homosexual behavior. Are you saying that homosexuals are inherently promiscuous? I don't care what people do in private. I simply mentioned those groups as other groups whose lifestyles lead to health care issues. I think it's great that smoking is banned in public and private places. Smoking is very annoying and second hand smoke is dangerous to my health. Your right to smoke does not supersede my right to clean air. I think you are being deliberately dense as a right wing deflection, but I am saying that people who get AIDS tend to be sexually promiscuous. Gays that practice safe sex don't get AIDS and are no threat to your health. As a libertarian, you should have no problem with their lifestyle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal) 300,000 to 600,000 annually. https://www.health.com/condition/flu/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year 300,000 to 600,000 annually is in the world, not just the United States. The second article says 12,000-50,000 in the US annually like chasfh said. but at least your sources are getting better. You just need to read them more carefully next time. Baby steps. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: 300,000 to 600,000 annually is in the world, not just the United States. Did I say otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: Did I say otherwise? Weak comeback. You screwed up. Be a man. Admit it. Otherwise, your post makes no sense. I'll let you choose. Edited December 24, 2021 by Tiger337 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: When you have the answer for Israel, you'll probably have your own answer. BTW, your 62% figure is from October. Lots of people have been jabbed since then. Shouldn't the problem be abating? 62% is yesterday, beckershospitalreview. I'm not interested in Israel, it is in an entirely different part of the world. I want to know why 2 countries that are side by side have such dramatically different results. I feel certain that you have an opinion - why won't you share it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 On that note, I am heading to my sister's house for Christmas Eve dinner. Merry Christmas to everyone. Fox too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Weak comeback. You screwed up. Be a man. Admit it. Otherwise, your post makes no sense. I'll let you choose. I said a few hundred thousand die annually from the flu. I was right. What's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just now, Fox Wismic said: I said a few hundred thousand die annually from the flu. I was right. What's the problem? If you can't see the problem, it is impossible to continue this discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal) 300,000 to 600,000 annually. https://www.health.com/condition/flu/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year Oh well, if were talking worldwide, now were talking about 5.4 million COVID deaths. Still a factor of multiples higher than regular flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: 62% is yesterday, beckershospitalreview. https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states 52 rows · Oct 03, 2021 · At least 225,606,197 people or 69% of the population have received at least one dose https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution Dec 20, 2021 · So far, 242 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine— 93.7% of the adult population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 Bottom line: COVID is simply not the same as the flu. It is epidemiologically a different, deadlier disease that cannot be treated the same any more than appendicitis and cirrhosis of the liver can be treated the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states 52 rows · Oct 03, 2021 · At least 225,606,197 people or 69% of the population have received at least one dose https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution Dec 20, 2021 · So far, 242 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine— 93.7% of the adult population. OK fine, 69% fully vaxxed. Never mind the single dose, that does not match up to the fully vaxxed 82% in Canada. I don't understand why you won't answer the question...why are US deaths occurring at more than 3 times the rate in Canada? I feel certain that you have an opinion. What is the explanation? If you want to say that you don't know, at least that would be an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Fox Wismic said: I said, you are totally free to take as many jabs as you desire. You are also free to social distance if you feel you are at risk. Mask up if you want. Stay home from work. Avoid restaurants, sporting events, and right wing political rallies (BLM protests are okay). Whatever you think makes you feel safe. I feel safer having you on IGNORE. That's my freedom of choice. And it increases my mental/ emotional/ physical health exponentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: OK fine, 69% fully vaxxed. As of October. Probably closer to 80% by now. Not nearly as big a disparity as you made it out to be. Also, being "fully vaxxed" is a nebulous term since they are always issuing new jabs and boosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: I feel safer having you on IGNORE. You're not doing a very good job of it 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1776 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: You're not doing a very good job of it 😞 Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: As of October. Probably closer to 80% by now. Not nearly as big a disparity as you made it out to be. Also, being "fully vaxxed" is a nebulous term since they are always issuing new jabs and boosters. OK so what is the reason for the variation in outcomes between Canada and the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, Fox Wismic said: As of October. Probably closer to 80% by now. Not nearly as big a disparity as you made it out to be. Also, being "fully vaxxed" is a nebulous term since they are always issuing new jabs and boosters. Oh by the way, as of yesterday your fully vaxxed percentage is 62%. Check the CDC for data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Oh by the way, as of yesterday your fully vaxxed percentage is 62%. Check the CDC for data. the other thing about the numbers in the US is that in places like MI, you have an average of 60 but half the places are at 80 and the other half are at 40, so for all intents and purposes you have half the counties in the state at such a low level that it's no different from zero for for the purposes of epidemic suppression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Oh by the way, as of yesterday your fully vaxxed percentage is 62%. Check the CDC for data. I checked the CDC page. They say: {{As of December 16, 2021, 95.0% of people ages 65 years or older have received at least one dose of vaccine and 87.3% are fully vaccinated. More than three-quarters (84.7%) of people ages 18 years or older have received at least one dose of vaccine and 72.3% are fully vaccinated. For people ages 12 years or older, 82.7% have received at least one dose of vaccine and 70.5% are fully vaccinated. For people ages 5 years or older, 76.9% have received at least one dose of vaccine and 65.1% are fully vaccinated.}} Seniors, who are far most at risk, are approaching 90%. Teens and adults are over 70%. It takes some mathemagic to derive 62% from all that. They must be counting pre-born babies and recently deceased people. Or maybe they are spinning a roulette wheel and rolling dice. When we have rubber numbers like this, I'm not going to even try to explain why numbers might not match up with another country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 https://www.axios.com/year-in-covid-visual-c84387bc-ffd4-4c46-aff2-be2178a55d41.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top Quote This data visualization shows what the U.S. has been through in the past year of COVID: from the winter surge to the arrival of the vaccines — and now, sadly, back to the start of a new winter surge. Between the lines: In a few seconds, you can see the welcome lull as many Americans got vaccinated and cases dropped off — and then their return with the Delta wave, and now the Omicron wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Fox Wismic said: I checked the CDC page. They say: {{As of December 16, 2021, 95.0% of people ages 65 years or older have received at least one dose of vaccine and 87.3% are fully vaccinated. More than three-quarters (84.7%) of people ages 18 years or older have received at least one dose of vaccine and 72.3% are fully vaccinated. For people ages 12 years or older, 82.7% have received at least one dose of vaccine and 70.5% are fully vaccinated. For people ages 5 years or older, 76.9% have received at least one dose of vaccine and 65.1% are fully vaccinated.}} Seniors, who are far most at risk, are approaching 90%. Teens and adults are over 70%. It takes some mathemagic to derive 62% from all that. They must be counting pre-born babies and recently deceased people. Or maybe they are spinning a roulette wheel and rolling dice. When we have rubber numbers like this, I'm not going to even try to explain why numbers might not match up with another country. They also said that the percentage of total population...total population..is 62%. You could not have missed it. What is your theory about the difference in death rates between Canada and the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.