ewsieg Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, pfife said: narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative Or maybe it's actually not narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative narrative yeah, i'm sure it's something else that would explain the flip by so many 'science followers' to get mad at the CDC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ewsieg said: yeah, i'm sure it's something else that would explain the flip by so many 'science followers' to get mad at the CDC. Yes, I very strongly agree - it was something else than your "narrative" argument. Again, as you quoted un my prior post to which you said you don't disagree, I think is cause of the consternation is the decision appears to be lobbyist influenced. Edited December 29, 2021 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 So either you don't disagree with me or you do disagree with me or you're trolling. You can decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The thing with hospitalization numbers is why they are there. Because of this spreading so fast many people are in there for other reasons but also testing positive. But it’s not why they are there. Not every place splits that out. Been reading some positive news today about T cells doing a good job and shorter hospital stays. Frankly the case numbers are probably only half of what’s real considering asymptomatic and “I can’t find a test” and home tests not being logged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Hey kids, don't dump your meds down the toilet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, pfife said: So either you don't disagree with me or you do disagree with me or you're trolling. You can decide. I agree with you that I believe the left feels like lobbyists influenced the decision. I don't believe that the CDC was pressured by Delta/lobbyists into making that decision against their will, which you seem to be open to that idea as well when you say 'regardless of the truth, they should be out providing rationale'. Then, I pointed to the fact that if you don't agree with it, it looks a little sketchy and you're open to the idea of allowing the CDC to explain further. But if you do agree with it and others don't, wow, what a bunch of anti-science assholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 51 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: Hey kids, don't dump your meds down the toilet. Yup, my wife wouldn't allow me if I wanted to anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/ Quote Over the two days (Tuesday and Wednesday), the average number of new confirmed cases is 12,929 per day. 2 day average smashes previously 1 day high. Somewhat hoping some of these are an accumulation of test results that came in late due to the holiday, but if not, we're heading back in the wrong direction after no reprieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, ewsieg said: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/ 2 day average smashes previously 1 day high. Somewhat hoping some of these are an accumulation of test results that came in late due to the holiday, but if not, we're heading back in the wrong direction after no reprieve. Testing facilities that had been no wait for many months and now seeing 4 and 5 hour waits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, ewsieg said: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/ 2 day average smashes previously 1 day high. Somewhat hoping some of these are an accumulation of test results that came in late due to the holiday, but if not, we're heading back in the wrong direction after no reprieve. Just came here to post this. Could be some holiday backlog, but not good nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Looks like my company is determined to return everyone to the office February 1st with no vaccine mandate or social distancing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I spent hours today trying to find a PCR testing site that can get me in before next week. Found a place right down the street from me that has a ton of availability so I scheduled a test for tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 New record cases in Ontario, 10,400. I'm trying to track down a booster for next week. 8,200 of the new cases are fully vaxxed. And, it is so difficult to get a test now, who knows how high the new cases really are? Could be 3 times as high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Just saw a large traffic backup onto Greenfield from an Urgent Care in Berkley down the street from where I live. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, ewsieg said: I agree with you that I believe the left feels like lobbyists influenced the decision. I don't believe that the CDC was pressured by Delta/lobbyists into making that decision against their will, which you seem to be open to that idea as well when you say 'regardless of the truth, they should be out providing rationale'. Then, I pointed to the fact that if you don't agree with it, it looks a little sketchy and you're open to the idea of allowing the CDC to explain further. But if you do agree with it and others don't, wow, what a bunch of anti-science Ok chief. I'm already bored of your latest bag of logic pretzels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, ewsieg said: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/ 2 day average smashes previously 1 day high. Somewhat hoping some of these are an accumulation of test results that came in late due to the holiday, but if not, we're heading back in the wrong direction after no reprieve. so the new increase is in SE MI where vax rates are higher, while rates are actually falling some out state. The question is whether out state is going to fair better with Omicron -maybe because of the lower population density - or whether Omicron just hasn't gotten there yet and they are fated to just bounce back up. again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, pfife said: Ok chief. I'm already bored of your latest bag of logic pretzels. Can say what he wants about the left or right. The biggest reason our country has screwed up the Covid response is because politics got involved. I firmly believe if Biden was in charge when covid hit, he would have handled things much better and prolly have saved thousands of lives. Or anyone not named Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Can say what he wants about the left or right. The biggest reason our country has screwed up the Covid response is because politics got involved. I firmly believe if Biden was in charge when covid hit, he would have handled things much better and prolly have saved thousands of lives. Or anyone not named Trump. Vaccine would have taken longer though. This isn't me praising warp speed or Trump. It's just that RCT's take longer when there is less virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Sensitivity of rapid antigen tests for Omicron expected to be degraded. Less impact is anticipated on the accuracy of PCR ("molecular") tests. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/sars-cov-2-viral-mutations-impact-covid-19-tests#omicron Edited December 30, 2021 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Learned something today with regard to hospital numbers. If a COVID patient is there longer than 21 days then they are considered “recovered”. Even though they are still hospitalized because of what COVID did to them… but they don’t have COVID anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Also with regard to all this testing… how much of it is in response to symptoms or being exposed? Wonder come January 2 if the lure and demand to get tested drops dramatically as people are not being proactive because of a party or gathering coming up? Or being reactive because they were exposed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: Looks like my company is determined to return everyone to the office February 1st with no vaccine mandate or social distancing. You are free to stay home if you feel threatened. The rest of us need to go on with our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Wismic Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 https://www.wnd.com/2021/12/aaron-rodgers-bombshell-nfl-secretly-administering-derided-covid-drugs/ Lots of stuff in this article you guys will want to avoid at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Yeah none of us are reading your contestant wnd links. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 4 hours ago, pfife said: Ok chief. I'm already bored of your latest bag of logic pretzels. I'm not trying to perform any pretzel logic. Many folks felt the CDC wasn't acting in the best interest of their stated purpose in order to scare folks and hurt the economy. Now many folks appear to feel the CDC isn't acting in the best interest of their stated purpose in order to appease lobbyist/big business. In the first case, you joined me in shaking your head and wondering why those doubters weren't giving the CDC the benefit of the doubt. Now you're confused why I'm shaking my head at these new folks, that's some pretzel logic I can't wrap my head around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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