Coronavirus: Already In a Neighborhood Near You

[Sports_Freak]

31 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

No more colonoscopies, no lung ex ray, no blood tests for potential diabetes, heart disease, etc. 

Welcome to the fifties, Making America Great Again...

 

Yeah, the next presidential candidate. Give me a break, this guy is a disaster waiting to happen. Think about it, as corrupt, or more so, than Trump. Only smarter...at lying, cheating and stealing. In other words, a politician.

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

correct. the big effect was to harden right wing opinion against masking but more importantly vaccination. I admit it's not certain the right would have listened to him or not even in the beginning, they certainly don't listen to him now on vaccines, but he had a moral obligation to try and failed pretty miserably there.

Moral obligation. 😀

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Moral obligation. 😀

yeah - pretty pointless construction to use in relation to Trump but what else can you call it?

[buddha]

trump is a notorious germaphobe, so its not a surprise he was all in on getting the vaccine.

doesnt explain the desire to be schtooping porn stars though...

[Hongbit]

Let’s Go Ron! 

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

conversely, the biggest aid to helping people during this epidemic has been the vaccines.  and the process to develop those vaccines was started by the trump administration.  they deserve credit for that.  that may be all they deserve credit for, but its something.

biden hasnt done anything to prolong covid and there is nothing they can do - or trump could have done - to stop it.  trump deserves blame for contradictory messaging and serious blame for not promoting mitigation measures earlier.  if he had done so, there's a good chance his people would have followed in line and not raised as big of a fuss.  

Trump's contradictory messaging is a big reason why his administration doesn't get the credit they may deserve on the vaccines.

He just never embraced it as forcefully as he should have politically, and his latest pivot toward vaccine promotion is probably a recognition of it bring one of the more popular things accomplished during his term.

Edited January 8, 2022 by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

45 minutes ago, buddha said:

trump is a notorious germaphobe, so its not a surprise he was all in on getting the vaccine.

doesnt explain the desire to be schtooping porn stars though...

but it never bothered him to spend all that time with hundreds of unmasked people. It's probably part of his psychosis - in the sense that he persuades himself of the truth of his fabrications, because it's a good point that Trump's behavior in public places has for certain not been that of a germophobe. Or maybe he just got over it.

[pfife]

4 hours ago, 1776 said:

That Trump handled this irresponsibly is correct. I think it took him way too long to grasp what this was and what it would entail. But, playing devils advocate…the Biden team, prior to the election, raised doubts on the validity of the vaccines for the sake of gaining political advantage in November. Everyone made mistakes. It was a bipartisan effort.

Then he distributed hundreds of millions of doses worldwide.   

[pfife]

4 hours ago, 1776 said:

HUGE DISCLAIMER : I do not, and will not, support Trump and agree with much of the criticism leveled at him on this board.

However, Archie is 100% correct. Trump did not engineer a new virus in the Wuhan lab, or wherever the hell this thing came from either. I can’t begin to guess at how many comments I read over numerous media boards and conversations the last 18 months that, and I’m paraphrasing here, ‘Trump has now killed (fill in # the blank) Americans to date based on virus deaths.’ It was absurd. I now see some of that empty rhetoric directed at Biden. Trump nor Biden is responsible for COVID deaths and the whole blame game accomplishes nothing. It is the lowest common denominator in rational thought. I commend Biden’s efforts in trying to get this thing contained, if that is even possible. It is a tragedy this virus has been politicized the way it has. 
 

If your policy is "get the virus" are you responsible for people who got the virus?

[pfife]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

No more colonoscopies, no lung ex ray, no blood tests for potential diabetes, heart disease, etc. 

Welcome to the fifties, Making America Great Again...

 

These are some stupid idiots.

[1984Echoes]

On 1/7/2022 at 3:36 PM, buddha said:

southern drawls are the best.  especially a nice southern lilt...

I think I'm just too impatient.

Even when I was in Michigan I was on NY/ NJ time.... fast and furious. Hyperspeed.

[Tiger337]

4 hours ago, 1776 said:

HUGE DISCLAIMER : I do not, and will not, support Trump and agree with much of the criticism leveled at him on this board.

However, Archie is 100% correct. Trump did not engineer a new virus in the Wuhan lab, or wherever the hell this thing came from either. I can’t begin to guess at how many comments I read over numerous media boards and conversations the last 18 months that, and I’m paraphrasing here, ‘Trump has now killed (fill in # the blank) Americans to date based on virus deaths.’ It was absurd. I now see some of that empty rhetoric directed at Biden. Trump nor Biden is responsible for COVID deaths and the whole blame game accomplishes nothing. It is the lowest common denominator in rational thought. I commend Biden’s efforts in trying to get this thing contained, if that is even possible. It is a tragedy this virus has been politicized the way it has. 
 

I agree it was dishonest and stupid to say that Trump killed x number of people.  There is plenty enough to blame on Trump without adding that hyperbole.  

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Granted I don't know the medical situation of all involved here, but damn this sounds like overkill from what I suspect are 'follow the science' type folks.

but OTOH, it what happens when you have group of people with a sense of mutual obligation to each other - it's the very thing lacking in the larger society. That is what should have been the thing motivating people to get vaccinated even if they didn't fear or care about getting sick themselves.

[Archie]

2 hours ago, mtutiger said:

But here's the thing.

Archie appears to be blaming Joe Biden for not fixing the virus when we have learned that a highly transmissibile variant has arisen and has caused this latest surge. By extension, he's basically doing what you are complaining "people in media and in conversations" did with Trump. Yet you led off by saying "Archie is right".

That seems contradictory to me. 

Hang on a minute....I merely pointed out covid cases are super high and then reminded you all about Joe's campaign promise.   I do know and I said it in my comment, had Trump or any republican made the same promise, and covid numbers explode like they are, you would be all over it.  Joe is on your home team so nothing is said.   I have always said and I will stand behind it again, covid is not political and we need to get politics out of it.  I know how you guys are so I couldn't help a little ribbing about Joe's campaign promise.  At least it gave you something to talk about today.   Most of all I'm ticked that the MSU/UM basketball game was cancelled.  I'm a big MSU basketball fan and was looking forward to the game.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Archie

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

...   trump for space force?

ok, maybe not that last one but you get the idea.

I actually like the idea of a Space Force.

We have too much valuable material in space, low orbit or beyond, and both Russia and China have developed satellite-killing capabilities. It was time.

Crazy idea by Trump... but I think that's the ONLY idea of his that I actually bought into 100%.

[Archie]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Let’s Go Ron! 

It also worth mentioning that California had over 100,000 cases yesterday and New York had over 80,000.  

[1984Echoes]

49 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

but it never bothered him to spend all that time with hundreds of unmasked people. It's probably part of his psychosis - in the sense that he persuades himself of the truth of his fabrications, because it's a good point that Trump's behavior in public places has for certain not been that of a germophobe....

He acts like Mussolini in public.

I think that's 100% the reason for the tough-guy image, and the no-mask in public stance.

It's his fascist dictator wannabe poses... like Putin not wearing a shirt in half his "outdoors" photographs...

[Hongbit]

1 minute ago, Archie said:

It also worth mentioning that California had over 100,000 cases yesterday and New York had over 80,000.  

Did either of their Governors hold a press conference today diminishing the dangers of the virus and questioning the need to get tested?  

[mtutiger]

55 minutes ago, Archie said:

 I have always said and I will stand behind it again, covid is not political and we need to get politics out of it.  

You should try practicing what you preach.

[Archie]

34 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

You should try practicing what you preach.

I have never made covid political.  Covid infects the left and right the same. When politicians split the country over covid we are all the big losers.   If your feelings are hurt over Biden's promises I can't help that.  Biden has been a massive failure and covid has nothing to do with it.

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, Dan Gilmore said:

When the Trump administration arrived in 2017 there was a task force with virus epidemic systems spelled out. A playbook on how to deal with the type of situation that happened a few years later. The Trump folks tossed it out-like so many things they trashed purely because it as a product of the Obama people.

That was bad enough, but as others have mentioned, the focus during Trump’s time in office was keeping the stock market high, not containing the virus spread. Yes, the vaccines were developed quickly by scientists, but at the same time Trump himself was saying really stupid shit about bleach and hydroxycloroquine and bright lights. Always downplaying the dangers- We’ll be done by Easter, or we’ll be rockin’ by July.

Biden has made mistakes, but he has been in the position of cleaning up a massive mess that Trump made worse in many ways. The vax skepticism has cost tens of thousands or more lives in the US and Trump failed miserably in terms of advocating for it. He strives on creating chaos and could have used his influence in a positive way. He did the opposite. 

The playbook was still in play, it's not like Trump threw it in the trash.  The team tasked with putting it together was no longer a team though.  Part of the issue is that Trump didn't follow it exactly, I don't know enough about it, but there might be a valid argument that there wasn't a team to continue to update it.

As for Biden though, I'm tired of hearing the 'huge mess' he had to clean up.  While true, it's morphed into an excuse.  This board likes to crap on DeSantis (and there are some legitimate reasons why), but when it comes to Florida death rate versus other states, most on this board will keep throwing things at the board about why it makes sense Florida's numbers look good up against Michigan and other blue states until they feel something sticks.  It's time to stop doing that with Biden too. 

He walked in with a vaccine in hand.  His own VP (prior to being the VP) called the vaccine 'Trump's vaccine' and initially stated she may not take it.  Cuomo, the left's darling early on said he wouldn't trust the federal government's say on when it's ready.  Pelosi, who never said anything inaccurate, consistently indicated that a rushed vaccine isn't good but rather one that goes through the normal channels.  Senator Kennedy continues to say that same thing and people want him thrown off of Twitter (probably has been already).  

There are quite a few of you on this page that occasionally like to show a bar chart with each of the past X presidents under it and it shows how much the debt went up/down for each president.  That's all the proof you need to determine which party is the best at handling the economy.  Well, only two presidents that dealt with Covid, the one with the vaccine actually has the higher death count.  Case closed, amirite?

The federal response in regards to testing has been atrocious.  The CDC and the White House can't even get on the same page.  There is a legitimate issue with a large portion that won't get vaccinated and most of that blame lays with the right, but it's not like the left is actively trying to find a way quell some of the polarization that led to this point.  

[mtutiger]

8 minutes ago, Archie said:

I have never made covid political.  

You literally made it political in the rest of your post.

8 minutes ago, Archie said:

If your feelings are hurt over Biden's promises I can't help that.  

Again, see my response to your initial post... 

I don't have any feelings one way or another, just sticking to the facts.

[mtutiger]

13 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

The federal response in regards to testing has been atrocious.  The CDC and the White House can't even get on the same page.  There is a legitimate issue with a large portion that won't get vaccinated and most of that blame lays with the right, but it's not like the left is actively trying to find a way quell some of the polarization that led to this point.  

I agree with you that the administration dropped the ball on testing, for what its worth. Doesn't "hurt my feelings" to say that, it's simply factual.

But while it's easy to blame partisans in regards to the polarization bit (big surprise, thermostatic partisanship is bad for the country!), I honestly don't know how the administration is supposed to deal with that. That die has been cast for a long time and, like election fraud, has become a litmus test for a number of people. Obviously they will get blame in the court of public opinion because the buck stops with them, I just don't know in practice what they should be doing that would effectuate a different result. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by mtutiger

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

but OTOH, it what happens when you have group of people with a sense of mutual obligation to each other - it's the very thing lacking in the larger society. That is what should have been the thing motivating people to get vaccinated even if they didn't fear or care about getting sick themselves.

I agree to a point, but again, this is overkill.  The people at risk in your story are vaccinated.  The flu is literally more deadly than Covid for the infant.  I'm not saying Covid is just like the Flu, but for children we have data now showing it's not an issue.  Do these parents ever put their kid in a car?  If so, might be time to call CPS.

https://www.vox.com/22699019/covid-19-children-kids-risk-hospitalization-death

 

[Dan Gilmore]

18 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

The playbook was still in play, it's not like Trump threw it in the trash.  The team tasked with putting it together was no longer a team though.  Part of the issue is that Trump didn't follow it exactly, I don't know enough about it, but there might be a valid argument that there wasn't a team to continue to update it.

As for Biden though, I'm tired of hearing the 'huge mess' he had to clean up.  While true, it's morphed into an excuse.  This board likes to crap on DeSantis (and there are some legitimate reasons why), but when it comes to Florida death rate versus other states, most on this board will keep throwing things at the board about why it makes sense Florida's numbers look good up against Michigan and other blue states until they feel something sticks.  It's time to stop doing that with Biden too. 

He walked in with a vaccine in hand.  His own VP (prior to being the VP) called the vaccine 'Trump's vaccine' and initially stated she may not take it.  Cuomo, the left's darling early on said he wouldn't trust the federal government's say on when it's ready.  Pelosi, who never said anything inaccurate, consistently indicated that a rushed vaccine isn't good but rather one that goes through the normal channels.  Senator Kennedy continues to say that same thing and people want him thrown off of Twitter (probably has been already).  

There are quite a few of you on this page that occasionally like to show a bar chart with each of the past X presidents under it and it shows how much the debt went up/down for each president.  That's all the proof you need to determine which party is the best at handling the economy.  Well, only two presidents that dealt with Covid, the one with the vaccine actually has the higher death count.  Case closed, amirite?

The federal response in regards to testing has been atrocious.  The CDC and the White House can't even get on the same page.  There is a legitimate issue with a large portion that won't get vaccinated and most of that blame lays with the right, but it's not like the left is actively trying to find a way quell some of the polarization that led to this point.  

I’m sorry that you are tired of hearing that, maybe take a nap. It’s true. Coming into office during a global pandemic that has killed millions is a huge mess. Whether you’re tired of hearing it is of no concern to me.

 

I have never posted any graphs here on any topics. You quoted me. Build your strawman on some other turf.