Archie Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 hours ago, oblong said: What does “going against the US” mean because I have it on good authority that to 40% of the voting public and nearly half our federal legislature that it’s not the US they are in support of but rather a guy who was on a TV show in the mid aughts. If the interests of the former guy and the US collide they are aligning with the orange fella. But he is an American from the USA. Just like I said about Biden, he may be the village idiot but he's our village idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Archie said: But he is an American from the USA. Just like I said about Biden, he may be the village idiot but he's our village idiot. It'll be gone by Easter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 He's not my village idiot. I'm not in a cult. I don't follow people. I follow ideals and principles and his collide with the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, casimir said: It'll be gone by Easter. No more than 100000 cases... probably closer to 60000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Glad to see Medicare For All is gaining support on the right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, oblong said: He's not my village idiot. I'm not in a cult. I don't follow people. I follow ideals and principles and his collide with the US. I wouldn't say his ideas and principles collide with the US. This country is pretty evenly split. If it weren't for covid he would been easily re-elected. A lot of people like much of what he stood for and did. It was Donald Trump the person they don't like. I agree with them too. I like what he did in office but can't take listening to him. There's a lot more buyers remorse with Biden than Trump. Only diehard dems think he's doing a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, Archie said: There's a lot more buyers remorse with Biden than Trump. Only diehard dems think he's doing a good job. I mean, Biden's drop in approval during his first year in office isn't too far off Trump's during 2017. But as with Trump, a drop in approval doesn't necessarily mean that voters wouldn't vote for them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I don't think most voters expected Biden to be a dynamic leader. They voted for him because he's not Trump. He's doing a good job not being Trump. It would be pretty near impossible to be worse than Trump 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think the virus is a pretty rough situation but otherwise Biden has done a pretty good job. I'm not sure how much approval rating reflects how good of a job they're doing now - it reflects a lot of different things including his performance, but not limited to his performance. Suggesting such would assume an unbiased electorate evaluating on merits and frankly it's obvious that doesn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Archie said: I wouldn't say his ideas and principles collide with the US. This country is pretty evenly split. If it weren't for covid he would been easily re-elected. A lot of people like much of what he stood for and did. It was Donald Trump the person they don't like. I agree with them too. I like what he did in office but can't take listening to him. Trump has no principles. He has no morals. He is a con man and has been for over 40 years. He is a digraceful human being who doesn't give a crap about this country or anything else but his own self interests. It's a shame that so many have fallen for his act. And what he did at the end absolutely shows that his self interests collide with the US. Edited January 12, 2022 by Tiger337 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Covid is still going on and people naturally have Covid fatigue. The vaccines didn't give us a magic victory parade over Covid like some hoped and thought would happen. I think public health officials and the broader medical community created a false sense of hope that vaccinations would end the pandemic and stop people from getting Covid, even if it was never directly implied, I think a lot of people implicitly felt that way about getting a vax. Clearly they have not ended the pandemic. Inflation went up largely as a result of supply chain issues and a sudden rush in demand due to people having not spent a whole lot of money over the past year. It was also effected by tightening in the oil and gas market and the mass resignation of workers and the rise in wages that came with it. From publications I've read from the San Francisco Fed they said about .3% of inflation is attributed to the American Rescue Plan that Biden and the Democrats passed. So well some are hot to trot about blaming the ARP stimulus, I don't think it had as big an effect on inflation as partisan hacks want you to believe it did. The other problem for Biden is he and the Democrats bumbled their agenda and not only didn't get BBB passed, they looked like children fighting with each other all the while negotiating it. Democrats and the White House have done a terrible job messaging what's in BBB and an even worse job controlling their infighting during the negotiations. Combine that with the fact that nothing has passed yet, and it is certain to hurt the President's reputation along with all the aforementioned things. If inflation stays high through most of 2022 and doesn't start coming down in the next 4-6 months, if covid and these new antivirals don't start working better, and if some version of BBB with better messaging doesn't pass than the party and President are screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, pfife said: I think the virus is a pretty rough situation but otherwise Biden has done a pretty good job. I'm not sure how much approval rating reflects how good of a job they're doing now - it reflects a lot of different things including his performance, but not limited to his performance. Suggesting such would assume an unbiased electorate evaluating on merits and frankly it's obvious that doesn't happen. Basically correct. I don't think the average person is thinking about the big debates on policy - they are looking at the COVID situation and aren't thrilled. It's not good if you're in a position of power - as other leaders in the free world could attest right now as well. A lot of his standing comes down to the COVID situation and inflation.... assuming no additional variants, COVID is probably the first kidney stone to pass. Inflation is a bit trickier.... there's a lot of belief among economists that we may be close to the peak. If not, the midterms will be rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) Not that it matters, because the average voter will have zero recollection of it in the voting booth, but I would remind folks who want to blame the $1,400 stimulus checks that were apart of the ARP package that then President Trump in December of 2020 wanted to do $2,000 stimulus checks. So if Biden's $1,400 ARP checks caused all this inflation you have to think Trump's $2,000 checks would have caused Zimbabwean style hyperinflation. I just want to be fair and consistent, nothing more. Edited January 12, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Trump has no principles. He has no morals. He is a con man and has been for over 40 years. He is a digraceful human being who doesn't give a crap about this country or anything else but his own self interests. It's a shame that so many have fallen for his act. And what he did at the end absolutely shows that his self interests collide with the US. We get it you don't like Donald Trump. Nobody here does but that doesn'tmean he didn't accomplish some good things in office. He also isnt the only POTUS with morals issues. Many before himdid too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Can't think of any good things he did in office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) Whenever I think of whether Trump is in-line with America, I think if his Helsinki presser w/ Putin. He distinctly didn't choose America there. Edited January 12, 2022 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiger337 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Archie said: We get it you don't like Donald Trump. Nobody here does but that doesn'tmean he didn't accomplish some good things in office. He also isnt the only POTUS with morals issues. Many before himdid too. What he did at the end of his presidency disqualifies him from any discussion of the merits of any of his policies. You can't openly try to steal an election and incite a riot and then expect people to sit around and discuss whether anything he did before that was OK. Let's stop pretending he was OK. Edited January 12, 2022 by Tiger337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think most voters expected Biden to be a dynamic leader. They voted for him because he's not Trump. He's doing a good job not being Trump. It would be pretty near impossible to be worse than Trump I would have voted for most of you fools on here rather than vote for Trump. Trump is straight putrid trash, the kind of decrepit human being that the good book decries, but somehow or another has a following amount the “Christian” right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, pfife said: Can't think of any good things he did in office. He left. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, casimir said: He left. he did, but I wish he'd stuck to his whole "you'll never hear from me again" schtick. now that would have been worthy of accolades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: What he did at the end of his presidency disqualifies him from any discussion of the merits of any of his policies. You can't openly try to steal an election and incite a riot and then expect people to sit around and discuss whether anything he did before that was OK. Let's stop pretending he was OK. Yep! Asking people to peacefully and patriotically protest should disqualify him from everything. He should of supported violence like the democrats did in the riots around the country and then helped bail some of the out. Maybe dems would like him better then. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Archie said: He should of supported You should have learned better grammar. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Archie said: Yep! Asking people to peacefully and patriotically protest should disqualify him from everything. That kind of lame gaslighting does not work in this forum. January 6 was not the day he incited the riot. That started on election day. What he did on January 6 was encourage protestors to gather at a place where he knew a riot was planned. You'd have to be pretty dumb to believe he didn't know what was going to happen. In fact, he tweeted about choas at the captol two weeks before. He was 100% guilty and there is no defense. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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