Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Edman85 said: One of the things I have learned is I do feel like the ability of the vaccine to reduce transmission was very overplayed. That's what I was getting at to in my post. I think people felt that transmissions would be reduced if they got vaccinated, Covid would slow down, and normalcy would return as a result. Along with Covid still being prevalent, I think that's got people fatigued. The sense of normalcy hasn't returned like people thought it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: That's what I was getting at to in my post. I think people felt that transmissions would be reduced if they got vaccinated, Covid would slow down, and normalcy would return as a result. Along with Covid still being prevalent, I think that's got people fatigued. The sense of normalcy hasn't returned like people thought it would. that's really hurting joe biden and the democrats. whomever is in charge will be blamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, buddha said: that's really hurting joe biden and the democrats. whomever is in charge will be blamed. Right, combine that with higher prices everywhere and Biden and the Dems are doomed in 2022/24 if one or both don't turn around in a big way. It's a shame that we are on the brink of losing our democracy and people will vote Republican or stay, but that's what's going to happen if covid and inflation don't start falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Clarifying, I do think vaccines reduce spread, but not nearly as greatly as initially assumed... Just because it is so damn contageous. Virus gets in your nose, antibodies do their thing, but virus is still in nose for a day or two without you knowing it. Less time, less virus, but still far from zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) On the discussion of trasmissibility, while things seem to change significantly day-to-day with COVID, my understanding is that there still is less transmissibility among the vaxxed. I buy that it has been overplayed (especially with this new variant), but has there been science that has said that there isn't any difference? EDIT: Ed beat me to it. Edited January 13, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: That's what I was getting at to in my post. I think people felt that transmissions would be reduced if they got vaccinated, Covid would slow down, and normalcy would return as a result. Along with Covid still being prevalent, I think that's got people fatigued. The sense of normalcy hasn't returned like people thought it would. We only have Covid today because of Trumpers that don't want to get the vaccine. That's pretty much the story that I've heard since we first saw spikes last summer after the vaccine was available. I won't lie, I somewhat bought into it initially as well, but realized we weren't making any radical effort to vaccinate the world. Even with the initial idea that we would get the world to herd immunity, that was foolish thinking on my part. Guess I just assumed the efficacy would hold up as they were saying it was early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ewsieg said: We only have Covid today because of Trumpers that don't want to get the vaccine. That's pretty much the story that I've heard since we first saw spikes last summer after the vaccine was available. I won't lie, I somewhat bought into it initially as well, but realized we weren't making any radical effort to vaccinate the world. Even with the initial idea that we would get the world to herd immunity, that was foolish thinking on my part. Guess I just assumed the efficacy would hold up as they were saying it was early on. I do think Trumpers not getting the vaccine have contributed to the spread... The biggest vaccine related issue is likely not vaccinating the world, which is very logistically difficult, I will admit. Edited January 13, 2022 by Edman85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Imagine how much less of the world would have the vaccine if Trump were president instead of Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I only know two people for sure that aren't vaccinated. Both are diehard liberals. I know that's a very small sample but I don't think it's all on the Trump supporters. They're just easy targets here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: That's what I was getting at to in my post. I think people felt that transmissions would be reduced if they got vaccinated, Covid would slow down, and normalcy would return as a result. Along with Covid still being prevalent, I think that's got people fatigued. The sense of normalcy hasn't returned like people thought it would. we were on a path to that until Omicron. The problem we face is too many people have this attitude of "well nothing works 100% so why bother trying anything". Circumstances change and instead of understanding that they just say "Well they don't know what they are talking about... one minute they say this, another they say that" People had this belief that the doctors and scientists knew everything there was to know about the virus, including future variants, in February 2020 and all of this changing is due to them being bumbling idiots. That said, the CDC has done a horrible job at messaging. Not everyone reads twitter all day for information from people who research this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 2:21 PM, oblong said: Can you imagine if this nation had to do WWII style rationing? Would never happen today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Archie said: I only know two people for sure that aren't vaccinated. Both are diehard liberals. I know that's a very small sample but I don't think it's all on the Trump supporters. They're just easy targets here. I know at least 15 people not vaccinated and every single one of them is a conservative Trumper (and their kids) or very into conspiracy theories. Edited January 13, 2022 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: You go ahead and get your Horse Paste..................I'm going to House of Dank https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3v3ax/scientists-cannabis-can-prevent-covid-19-infection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 the unvaccinated people i know are anti-establishment people. some are anti-corporate liberals who do not trust the pharmaceutical industry, some are anti-government conservatives who do not trust the democratic party or government in general. all of them are very smart. i disagree with them about vaccines, but they're not stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, pfife said: I know at least 15 people not vaccinated and every single one of them is a conservative Trumper (and their kids) or very into conspiracy theories. Pretty much the same story for me. Quite a few family members as well whose mind I will not be changing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, chasfh said: You're barking up the wrong tree here, new guy. The guy with split personalities blocking one of his own personalities? That's almost good enough for a meme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, buddha said: the unvaccinated people i know are anti-establishment people. some are anti-corporate liberals who do not trust the pharmaceutical industry, some are anti-government conservatives who do not trust the democratic party or government in general. all of them are very smart. i disagree with them about vaccines, but they're not stupid people. This makes sense. At the end of the day, all of this stuff falls in the "YMMV" department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Pretty much the same story for me. Quite a few family members as well whose mind I will not be changing lol Yep some of mine are family as well. One in particular spent 8 days in the hospital w/ COVID and believes he should have been there longer. Still won't get the vax b/c it's all apparently a huge worldwide scheme by Bill Gates. Can't even talk with him about how him getting it in his arm or not has no impact on whether Bill gets money. He also infected the rest of the family, the rest of which also are not vaccinated and they also still won't get vax'd but were totally fine with antibody infusion. Response when asked why not get vaxxed? "I've heard stories". My response: "Now you're a story being heard." Edited January 13, 2022 by pfife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: This makes sense. At the end of the day, all of this stuff falls in the "YMMV" department. where do you stand on vaccine mandates to return to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, buddha said: where do you stand on vaccine mandates to return to work? My understanding is that the OSHA rule being debated doesn't prevent someone from returning from work but requires them to submit to weekly testing and for companies to have a program in order to carry that out. In theory I'm OK with it, but in terms of implementation, it puts a lot of pressure on a company to carry out tasks that they may not be well equipped to carry out. And I worry that will cause more problems than it solves. Edited January 13, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, mtutiger said: My understanding is that the OSHA rule being debated doesn't prevent someone from returning from work but requires them to submit to weekly testing and for companies to have a program in order to carry that out. In theory I'm OK with it, but in terms of implementation, it puts a lot of pressure on a company to carry out tasks that they may not be well equipped to carry out. And I worry that will cause more problems than it solves. you are correct on the osha rule. i agree. i am not opposed to it in theory but the implementation will be cumbersome and im not sure it will do anything to solve a problem that, by the time its implemented, may not be that much of a problem anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I handle the payroll and manager the assignments for about 150 people for a temp agency. Our company sent out an email to all our temps a couple days ago about the vaccine mandate, with a deadline of February 9th. We are starting to get the emails trickling in from employees telling us they are not going to comply. This is going to be fun 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Opposing a vaccine mandate is not a hill I would die on. In theory, making someone inject something into their body as a condition of employment sounds shady and big brother ish... but.... we all need to do our part to make society function. If I don't want to breathe dirty air I can go live off the land in the country and if I don't want to get a shot then I can figure out how to not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, oblong said: Opposing a vaccine mandate is not a hill I would die on. In theory, making someone inject something into their body as a condition of employment sounds shady and big brother ish... but.... we all need to do our part to make society function. If I don't want to breathe dirty air I can go live off the land in the country and if I don't want to get a shot then I can figure out how to not work. i wouldnt go that far, but if you dont want it they offer a testing option. in a way that undercuts the mandate (as does the 100 employee limit and the religious exemption) but it offers people a legitimate "out" other than quitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, buddha said: i disagree with them about vaccines, but they're not stupid people. I suppose it depends on how you define "stupid." 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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