Coronavirus: Already In a Neighborhood Near You

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, buddha said:

but that happens a lot.  where's the end game?  i imagine there are people who will continue to wear masks everywhere for the rest of their lives now

People- mostly in the far east, were wearing masks in crowded public places during flu season long before Covid but that never became a thing in the US -  but you never know. Of course most places in the US don't have nearly the kind of population density of a Singapore or Tokyo.

[oblong]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

People- mostly in the far east, were wearing masks in crowded public places during flu season long before Covid but that never became a thing in the US -  but you never know. Of course most places in the US don't have nearly the kind of population density of a Singapore or Tokyo.

This is 'merica.... we can't be like foreigners.  If they do it then we must not do it or else we aint superior!   They're a bunch of pussies.

 

 

 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This is certainly true on its face, but on the other hand

 

I feel for the poor public health epidemiologists who are going to spend the next few years trying to tease useful data out of the total randomness of American behavioral response to COVID.

[Biff Mayhem]

6 minutes ago, oblong said:

For me it will be when vaccines are available to everyone.  Contrary to popular belief we haven't gotten there yet.  On an airplane I would because there's probably going to be kids around on the plane and it's an easy thing to do to sit there with a mask on.  It's cost free.  If I can potentially help someone at no cost to myself why not do it?  

I don't wear them to baseball games. I don't wear them to hockey or basketball games because.  I wear them to grocery stores because the one I go to is kind of small and can be crowded and it's as much to do with flu as covid.  I'm going to keep doing that.  I don't wear them at the gym.  That's a risk I've chosen to take.  Others take it too.  

If I were ever to be asked to wear one I'd gladly do it.

I'll never understand the resistance.  

 

A vaccinated 4 year old can still get and transmit Covid. Heck any vaccinated adult can get and transmit Covid. This will never end for you because you’ve fully bought in. I’m not saying that to be insulting. I’m saying that because you’ve already set yourself up with an untrainable expectation which, if the vaccination is available for all, will you really then say “ok I’m done” or will it be 100% vaccinated at that point? Be honest. 
 

it’s with us forever and an immunocompromised person knows this and will have to make a choice about interacting with the four year old  Given the air filtration on an airplane, if the four year old becomes a spreader, it’s more likely or happened away from the air travel  

 

[Motown Bombers]

I remember the days of Ebola when Obama was suppose to resign after two Americans died, and Chris Christie quarantined that woman right at the airport. Fast forward 6-8 years and a million Americans have died and those same people are complaining about wearing a mask. 

[Edman85]

51 minutes ago, Biff Mayhem said:

A vaccinated 4 year old can still get and transmit Covid. Heck any vaccinated adult can get and transmit Covid. This will never end for you because you’ve fully bought in. I’m not saying that to be insulting. I’m saying that because you’ve already set yourself up with an untrainable expectation which, if the vaccination is available for all, will you really then say “ok I’m done” or will it be 100% vaccinated at that point? Be honest. 
 

it’s with us forever and an immunocompromised person knows this and will have to make a choice about interacting with the four year old  Given the air filtration on an airplane, if the four year old becomes a spreader, it’s more likely or happened away from the air travel  

 

 

This isn't binary. It is a sliding scale. Not all probabilities are the same.  May as well reduce the risk.

[Edman85]

My masking strategy going forward will likely be to wear a KN-95 on a flight and in the concourse especially, if I am visiting my too-young-to-be-vaccinated nephews or old-enough-to-be-at-risk-of-serious-breakthrough-covid parents/relatives. I know masks are more designed to keep me from spreading it, but every little bit in those scenarios helps.

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

My masking strategy going forward will likely be to wear a KN-95 on a flight and in the concourse especially, if I am visiting my too-young-to-be-vaccinated nephews or old-enough-to-be-at-risk-of-serious-breakthrough-covid parents/relatives. I know masks are more designed to keep me from spreading it, but every little bit in those scenarios helps.

We have some flights later this summer. Hopefully we aren't in the middle of surge #5.

[oblong]

1 hour ago, Biff Mayhem said:

A vaccinated 4 year old can still get and transmit Covid. Heck any vaccinated adult can get and transmit Covid. This will never end for you because you’ve fully bought in. I’m not saying that to be insulting. I’m saying that because you’ve already set yourself up with an untrainable expectation which, if the vaccination is available for all, will you really then say “ok I’m done” or will it be 100% vaccinated at that point? Be honest. 
 

it’s with us forever and an immunocompromised person knows this and will have to make a choice about interacting with the four year old  Given the air filtration on an airplane, if the four year old becomes a spreader, it’s more likely or happened away from the air travel  

 

why not be a decent person and just help as much as possible?  zero covid is not reachable in the next few years at least.  But if my minimal action can prevent even one bad case then I will do it.  It costs me nothing.  Once kids can be vaccinated then maybe I will ease up.

 

[Edman85]

You can get struck by lightning indoors (I have been) so there is no point in going indoors for a thunderstorm.

[Edman85]

You can die in a car wreck driving the speed limit with a seat belt on. So why drive at a safe speed and wear a seat belt?

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

me neither.  and they fog up my glasses.

 

Glasses are the biggest problem.  There are  ways around it, but I don't want to go through that hassle every time I need to take the mask on or off.  

[buddha]

13 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

You can die in a car wreck driving the speed limit with a seat belt on. So why drive at a safe speed and wear a seat belt?

people can catch the flu on an airplane and die from it, so everyone that gets on a plane must wear a mask forever because someone on the plane might get sick.

[oblong]

Why replace the batteries in a smoke detector?  There won't be a fire, never has been, and I could fall off the step stool and break my neck.

 

[buddha]

46 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

 

This isn't binary. It is a sliding scale. Not all probabilities are the same.  May as well reduce the risk.

cloth masks do nothing, should we require all airlines to have each passenger wear an n95?  where is your level of risk and what society should require of people to mitigate that risk?

like you said, its a sliding scale.

[Jim Cowan]

5 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

you do get credit for effort. 

On a related note, I have noticed that the boomers seem to have finally decided it's time give up their Harleys. Seeing much smaller numbers out and about anymore.

Those 50 year old bank branch managers are 75 now.

[oblong]

21 minutes ago, buddha said:

cloth masks do nothing, should we require all airlines to have each passenger wear an n95?  where is your level of risk and what society should require of people to mitigate that risk?

like you said, its a sliding scale.

they do more than "nothing"

Should airlines do away with seat belts?  They are uncomfortable and nobody likes them and they 'do nothing'

 

[pfife]

Should cars be made without brakes?  They don't do much and no one likes them.

Sincerely

IFC

 

[buddha]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

they do more than "nothing"

Should airlines do away with seat belts?  They are uncomfortable and nobody likes them and they 'do nothing'

 

they dont do much more than nothing.  next thing you know, you'll tell me that if i text during takeoff the plane will crash.

should airlines make everyone wear a gas mask or a haz mat suit?  should they make everyone show a negative test result for any contagious disease before boarding a plane?  should they put a camera in the bathroom or sensors to make sure everyone washes their hands properly before leaving the restroom?  should we all submit to dna tests to make sure were not susceptible to certain diseases before they board any plane?

we can go back and forth in this game all day.

how far should we go as a society to make sure people dont get sick when around other people?  what's the line?  you have a different risk tolerance than i do.  

[Archie]

1 hour ago, pfife said:

Should cars be made without brakes?  They don't do much and no one likes them.

Sincerely

IFC

 

You forgot they're expensive to replace too. If you have bumpers you don't need brakes.  

Edited April 19, 2022 by Archie

[oblong]

17 minutes ago, buddha said:

they dont do much more than nothing.  next thing you know, you'll tell me that if i text during takeoff the plane will crash.

should airlines make everyone wear a gas mask or a haz mat suit?  should they make everyone show a negative test result for any contagious disease before boarding a plane?  should they put a camera in the bathroom or sensors to make sure everyone washes their hands properly before leaving the restroom?  should we all submit to dna tests to make sure were not susceptible to certain diseases before they board any plane?

we can go back and forth in this game all day.

how far should we go as a society to make sure people dont get sick when around other people?  what's the line?  you have a different risk tolerance than i do.  

I don’t need to know where the line should be to know one should exist. And that shouldn’t be left to a single judge either. 
 
stop thinking like a lawyer.  

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, pfife said:

Should cars be made without brakes?  They don't do much and no one likes them.

Sincerely

IFC

 

One of the classic threads of MTS.  

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

Why replace the batteries in a smoke detector?  There won't be a fire, never has been, and I could fall off the step stool and break my neck.

 

LOL - TBH, I have seen 'safety' regulations that actually are counter-productive, but that's a different discussion.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, oblong said:

I don’t need to know where the line should be to know one should exist. And that shouldn’t be left to a single judge either. 
 
stop thinking like a lawyer.  

Damn those lawyers.  I think there are even worse than sabers.  

[Biff Mayhem]

3 hours ago, oblong said:

why not be a decent person and just help as much as possible?  zero covid is not reachable in the next few years at least.  But if my minimal action can prevent even one bad case then I will do it.  It costs me nothing. Once kids can be vaccinated then maybe I will ease up.

 

How is wearing a cloth mask on an airplane helping as much as possible? Serious question. 
 

“Once kids can be vaccinated then maybe I will ease up.”

Not trying to dog you, but this proves what I wrote above. A few posts ago in response to Buddha this was a hard line. Now it’s a “maybe”.