Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[chasfh]

The term “unreconstructed segregationist” was practically coined to refer to Lester Maddox. This is the front door at his fried chicken restaurant—this was in 1964. Check out the sign.

The axe handle reference in the Mad cartoon comes from his restaurant’s practice of handing out axe handles to white patrons for the ostensible purpose of beating black people and their fellow (interstate?) travelers if they dared enter the restaurant.

[CMRivdogs]

Faux Propaganda, we whitewash, you get in line...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/media/fox-news-dominion-motions-in-limine/index.html?utm_term=168083581575158ddbd465b82&utm_source=cnn_Reliable+Sources+-+April+6%2C+2023&utm_medium=email&bt_ee=SktKuQ2vLO6clGYzqd5VFADStj4dsdvoWXRS41sR6K%2BkcQIQBrLul%2FsKhoxF5Qpx&bt_ts=1680835815754

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Fox asked a judge in court filings made public Thursday to prohibit references to the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, as well as threats directed at employees of Dominion Voting Systems, when the $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit it faces from the election technology company goes to trial later this month.

“Dominion’s defamation claim has nothing to do with the Capitol riot,” Fox’s lawyers argued in the court filings. “And any reference to the Capitol riot will only unfairly prejudice the jury against Fox, inflame passions, prevent a fair trial, and taint any resulting verdict.”

Fox added that threats against Dominion employees “were horrific and absolutely inexcusable.” But the company said “allowing Dominion to discuss specific threats and their effect on employees is virtually guaranteed to arouse the jury’s sympathy and provoke a desire to punish Fox for the actions of unrelated third parties.”

The documents made public Thursday are “motions in limine,” which are pretrial efforts by both sides to block certain evidence and arguments from being used during the trial. These motions are common in criminal and civil proceedings. Depending on how the judge rules, the outcome of these motions could significantly shape the trial, potentially giving one side an advantage.

 

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Faux Propaganda, we whitewash, you get in line...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/media/fox-news-dominion-motions-in-limine/index.html?utm_term=168083581575158ddbd465b82&utm_source=cnn_Reliable+Sources+-+April+6%2C+2023&utm_medium=email&bt_ee=SktKuQ2vLO6clGYzqd5VFADStj4dsdvoWXRS41sR6K%2BkcQIQBrLul%2FsKhoxF5Qpx&bt_ts=1680835815754

 

“Your honor, I ask that you strike all references to my client’s so-called “threats” about tearing off the victim’s head and shitting down his neck, as it will tend to unfairly prejudice the jury against my client, inflame passions, prevent a fair trial, and taint any resulting verdict—he was totally joking and that had absolutely nothing to do with the victim’s unfortunate and completely-unrelated decapitation and impersonation of a toilet.”

Edited April 7, 2023 by chasfh

[romad1]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

The term “unreconstructed segregationist” was practically coined to refer to Lester Maddox. This is the front door at his fried chicken restaurant—this was in 1964. Check out the sign.

The axe handle reference in the Mad cartoon comes from his restaurant’s practice of handing out axe handles to white patrons for the ostensible purpose of beating black people and their fellow (interstate?) travelers if they dared enter the restaurant.

What a jerk.

[romad1]

Also, fuck the use of "southern" as a beneficial adjective to anything.   Not that we don't have racists jackals in the North but I'm so sick of the heritage of a bunch of loathsome crackers being identified as benign in any way.

[Tiger337]

Remember when Republicans were saying that Trump was great for the economy and for Blacks because of the lowest Black unemployment rate ever.

 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

Remember when Republicans were saying that Trump was great for the economy and for Blacks because of the lowest Black unemployment rate ever.

 

Well, as you know, anything he says, Trump doesn't have to prove it—he merely has to say it.

[Motor City Sonics]

33 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Well, as you know, anything he says, Trump doesn't have to prove it—he merely has to say it.

Trump could get caught with child porn and they'd still support him.  It's a cult.  

[chasfh]

29 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Trump could get caught with child porn and they'd still support him.  It's a cult.  

You're right, because as we have seen here before, the wooing of underage girls is a feature in some evangelical strains, not a bug.

Beyond that, I wonder whether it's a 50-50 proposition that, if he were caught with child porn, or even if there were video evidence of him, like ... you know ... it would be caught and killed, and not just by the Enquirer. Can you imagine the immense damage to the entire institution of the Presidency, and to the legitimacy of the United States as a world leader, were something like that revealed? And if you think that something like that would never, could never, reflect on the presidency because it would be only a Trump thing, then I would think you're not giving enough credit to the worldwide agents of chaos.

[Tiger337]

I saw a quote in The Lowell Sun (our local paper) which was interviewing people on the street about the indiction: "After all he has given up for us, we have to show him support in his difficult time".  I get that some people hate government and love chaos and think the Democrats are dangerous.  I kind of get all that a little bit but it just blows my mind that people actually think that Trump gives a shit about them.  How can you relate to someone like that?  

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, Tiger337 said:

I saw a quote in The Lowell Sun (our local paper) which was interviewing people on the street about the indiction: "After all he has given up for us, we have to show him support in his difficult time".  I get that some people hate government and love chaos and think the Democrats are dangerous.  I kind of get all that a little bit but it just blows my mind that people actually think that Trump gives a shit about them.  How can you relate to someone like that?  

Red hats think Trump cares deeply about them because their media tell them every day how deeply Trump cares about them. Garbage in, garbage out. 

[Motown Bombers]

I haven't seen Dolly Parton say anything about the Tennessee three yet. I wonder if she does speak out critically, will the Republicans retaliate against Dollywood like Desantis did with Disney? 

[pfife]

Lol trouble in fash paradise

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

 

[Motown Bombers]

Jesus, they keep making it worse. 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

Can you imagine the immense damage to the entire institution of the Presidency, and to the legitimacy of the United States as a world leader, were something like that revealed? 

That's already happened.   The American Experiment lasted about 240 years and it failed.      Look at Tennessee right now to see your proof.     It worked for awhile, but it failed.   

[CMRivdogs]

 

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said:

 

This is like fascist middle school.

[chasfh]

Imagine this is Illinois and the state legislature expels a Republican lawmaker for taking to the floor with a bullhorn shouting pro-life slogans. Fox News would practically jizz their pants at the gift, then direct their hosts to have a non-stop harry conniption over it indefinitely. And rightfully so, to a point.

[Jim Cowan]

3 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

That's already happened.   The American Experiment lasted about 240 years and it failed.      Look at Tennessee right now to see your proof.     It worked for awhile, but it failed.   

Well, yeah.  I try not to lean over your back fence too often, but the idea that "America" could "lose prestige internationally", well, with all respect to my dear friends here, if I were you I would not worry too much about that, that ship sails on a regular schedule.  And it does not need any help from any outside interests.

Chuck Todd made me snort a few years ago, he was interviewing somebody about the latest appalling shit show in Washington or maybe somewhere else, I don't remember what it was, doesn't matter, but in the middle of the interview he just blurted out "is America losing its moral authority" and after my surprised snort I said to myself "moral authority?  MORAL AUTHORITY??? Jesus F Christ Chuck, in what alternate universe has 'America' had 'moral authority' in the eyes of anyone on earth who does not live within its borders, for the past 100 years?"

So again, I love all my friends here, and as your friend my advice would be to not get too worried about losing prestige internationally.

 

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said:

Well, yeah.  I try not to lean over your back fence too often, but the idea that "America" could "lose prestige internationally", well, with all respect to my dear friends here, if I were you I would not worry too much about that, that ship sails on a regular schedule.  And it does not need any help from any outside interests.

Chuck Todd made me snort a few years ago, he was interviewing somebody about the latest appalling shit show in Washington or maybe somewhere else, I don't remember what it was, doesn't matter, but in the middle of the interview he just blurted out "is America losing its moral authority" and after my surprised snort I said to myself "moral authority?  MORAL AUTHORITY??? Jesus F Christ Chuck, in what alternate universe has 'America' had 'moral authority' in the eyes of anyone on earth who does not live within its borders, for the past 100 years?"

So again, I love all my friends here, and as your friend my advice would be to not get too worried about losing prestige internationally.

 

We have the biggest baddest military in the world.  This is important and very fortunate for us, but it's probably the extent of our authoruty.  

[Jim Cowan]

8 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

We have the biggest baddest military in the world.  This is important and very fortunate for us, but it's probably the extent of our authoruty.  

Very true, and I think that it is fair to ask whether or not it has always been used appropriately.

[romad1]

5 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

Well, yeah.  I try not to lean over your back fence too often, but the idea that "America" could "lose prestige internationally", well, with all respect to my dear friends here, if I were you I would not worry too much about that, that ship sails on a regular schedule.  And it does not need any help from any outside interests.

Chuck Todd made me snort a few years ago, he was interviewing somebody about the latest appalling shit show in Washington or maybe somewhere else, I don't remember what it was, doesn't matter, but in the middle of the interview he just blurted out "is America losing its moral authority" and after my surprised snort I said to myself "moral authority?  MORAL AUTHORITY??? Jesus F Christ Chuck, in what alternate universe has 'America' had 'moral authority' in the eyes of anyone on earth who does not live within its borders, for the past 100 years?"

So again, I love all my friends here, and as your friend my advice would be to not get too worried about losing prestige internationally.

 

I take all that talk about being a shining city on a hill as part of the civic (non-secular) religion of America.  You can say it and it does hopefully guide people to better normative directions.  I think the existence of a thuggish element is always going to be there among any society.   The squeal like a pig hillbillies of "Deliverance" were not thinking on the importance to society of the hydro-electric power that dam that was about to flood their farmland would bring.  They just wanted to rape Ned Beatty.   Americans want to buy into the good story and not the bad.   Unfortunately, a lot of thugs are feeding more and more hillbillies with notions these days.

[romad1]

So, the other history majors can weigh in as they like.  I think in a lot of ways Canada has been more of the sort of society the original Plymouth settlement pilgrims thought they'd like to create.   I've had it explained to me many times that the United States has always had the two themes of Plymouth (holy and sacred and for the believers, whomever they are) and Jamestown (lets make some money to propagate a social order that suits those at the top just fine).

The Northern culture -- guided by the spirit of the pilgrims and English influences like William Wilberforce/the Clapham sect -- warned by the chaos of the French Revolution and -- tainted by dark satanic mills and the general struggle for labor rights.  They, using superior economic power and larger manpower fought to end slavery and imposed a civilization onto the South that many southern Whites resent. 

The Southern culture -- guided by those cavalier slave-holding cannibals that figured out how to sell plantation crops like tobacco to the World and thus proved that those at the top were God-chosen for power and those just below them on the pecking order, the crackers who imposed their social order on slaves and criminals (hence the boner for cop culture) and  hold military duty in high regard.   Those just-below the pecking order whites have been militarized by the feudal lords on multiple occasions for all sorts of evil stuff.

 

Now, another guy wrote a very interesting book i base this on.  Called Albion's Seed that identified these basic stock cultures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion's_Seed

 

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Four folkways

The four migrations are discussed in the four main chapters of the book:

• East Anglia to Massachusetts

The Exodus of the English Puritans (Pilgrims and Puritans influenced the Northeastern United States' corporate and educational culture)^[4]

• The South of England to Virginia

The Cavaliers and Indentured Servants (Gentry influenced the Southern United States' plantation culture)^[5]

• North Midlands to the Delaware Valley

The Friends' Migration (Quakers influenced the Middle Atlantic and Midwestern United States' industrial culture)^[6]

• Borderlands to the Backcountry

The Flight from North Britain (Scotch-Irish and border English influenced the Western United States' ranch culture and the Southern United States' common agrarian culture)^[7]

 

 

[Tiger337]

7 hours ago, Jim Cowan said:

Very true, and I think that it is fair to ask whether or not it has always been used appropriately.

which is why I left out the word moral.  

Edited April 8, 2023 by Tiger337