Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[Motown Bombers]

It's weird how the same people who require you to be technical on guns are the same ones who ban woke without being able to even say what woke is. 

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, romad1 said:

My brain just exploded at the exceedingly gross notion of a geriatric, hair died Rudy G being that sexually predatory.

Believing someone could be this sexually predatory is the easy part. Even people we all think of unconditionally as heroes can be like this, and many are. It's the submission by subordinates to the grossness that makes my brain explode.

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Setting aside all the absolutely gross, borderline definitely NSFW stuff alleged, apparently Dunphy claims that Giuliani told her that he was selling off pardons for $2mil a pop, and splitting the proceeds with Trump.

Possibly the least surprising thing I've ever heard. If anything, surprised the number wasn't higher lol

I sometimes regard myself as far too cynical, and yet this never occurred to me even once, and it simultaneously shocks me and doesn't surprise me in the least.

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, Archie said:

That would make this place boring for me. There wouldn't be many people left for me to talk politics with.

This may be the most logical, believable thing you have ever posted here.

[chasfh]

16 hours ago, Archie said:

Automatic guns??? Who is using an automatic firearm also known as a machine gun?  Do you know the process to purchase an automatic firearm and how long it takes?  Do you know how much one costs? Do you know you can't buy a new one and it has to have been registered before May 1986?  You should do some research before posting something 100% false.  But then again 90% of the posts in the political section are false so your buds here will give you an attaboy.

This sounds very much like the time a poster on the old board tried to invalidate my theory that private medical insurance is basically socialized medicine by trying to trap me on not knowing or being able to explain with a risk pool was, and that argument made no sense back then, either.

[Hongbit]

2 hours ago, Archie said:

Sorry but that is false.  A semi-automatic fires one cartridge or bullet with every pull of the trigger. A bump stock does not change that.  Do you have any data to show sales figures of bump stocks because I couldn’t find any.  Me thinks that is your Trump hatred shining through and you’re trying to pile more bad info on.

 

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

What does bump stocks mean?

 

Bump stocks or bump fire stocks are gun stocks that can be used to assist in bump firing. Bump firing is the act of using the recoil of a semi-automatic firearm to fire ammunition cartridges in rapid succession.

 

In effect, changing the actions of a semi-automatic into automatic firing actions.

 

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

 

A bump stock causes the trigger (red) to be actuated when the receiver moves forward, being reset each round by receiver recoil. This allows semi-automatic firearms to somewhat mimic fully automatic weapons.

There should be yellow crime scene tape around these posts because an absolute slaughter just took place.  

Edited May 16, 2023 by Hongbit

[1984Echoes]

I can add one more:

The 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER was done with bump stocks. 60 dead, 413 wounded. By ONE MAN. Without the bump stocks, casualties would have been drastically lower. A ban on bump stocks was put in place directly as a result of their use in the 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

Edited May 16, 2023 by 1984Echoes

[romad1]

15 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I can add one more:

The 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER was done with bump stocks. 60 dead, 413 wounded. By ONE MAN. Without the bump stocks, casualties would have been drastically lower. A ban on bump stocks was put in place directly as a result of their use in the 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

Those people weren't murdered.  Because the shooter used semi-automatic weapons made in America; they were enfreedomed. 

[Tigeraholic1]

40 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I can add one more:

The 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER was done with bump stocks. 60 dead, 413 wounded. By ONE MAN. Without the bump stocks, casualties would have been drastically lower. A ban on bump stocks was put in place directly as a result of their use in the 2017 Las Vegas Mass MURDER:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

Sad thing is appeals court blocked ban on bump stocks. Totally legal to buy until Supreme court rules on it IF they take it up. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by Tigeraholic1

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Believing someone could be this sexually predatory is the easy part. Even people we all think of unconditionally as heroes can be like this, and many are. It's the submission by subordinates to the grossness that makes my brain explode.

It doesn't start like this.  Predators find vulnerable people and get them to trust to the point where they can manipulate them.  At that point, they start abusing them.  Coming from a supportive family environment, I don't relate to it either, but it's a common phenomenon   I had read that she had been a victim of domestic violence growing up.  

[chasfh]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

It doesn't start like this.  Predators find vulnerable people and get them to trust to the point where they can manipulate them.  At that point, they start abusing them.  Coming from a supportive family environment, I don't relate to it either, but it's a common phenomenon   I had read that she had been a victim of domestic violence growing up.  

Sure, it's a grotesque version of a symbiotic relationship.

[romad1]

Oh look President Biden can't shore up potential alliance against PRC (the communists that the MAGAs claim they don't like) because they want to destroy the capitalist system they live in to hurt the center-left liberal Biden.

 

[romad1]

 

[1984Echoes]

I have one additional point to clean up:

 

A while ago, Archie and I got into an argument over muzzle velocity causing battlefield, or sonic, damage. I stated that high velocity weapons were developed to inflict greater wound damage, Archie called that bogus.

I was in the Army. I don't know if Archie ever was in the military. I specifically worked with the M-16 rifle, designed SPECIFICALLY to be a lighter, lower caliber, higher velocity weapon than the M-4. I don't know where Archie is getting his answers on this... but I am guessing he is only reading NRA propaganda, and has absolutely no clue what he's actually talking about.

Weapons designers SPECIFICALLY found out that lower caliber-higher velocity bullets caused more wound damage than higher caliber-lower velocity bullets:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/

Nearly a century before American troops were ordered into Vietnam, weapons designers had made a discovery in the science of “wound ballistics.” The discovery was that a small, fast-traveling bullet often did a great deal more damage than a larger round when fired into human or (for the experiments) animal flesh.

[1984Echoes]

Fragmentation is also a component of wound damage.. but is highly dependent on muzzle velocity. Too low a velocity drops the effectiveness of fragmentation wounding to almost nothing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO

Fragmentation, if and when it occurs, imparts much greater damage to human tissue than bullet dimensions and velocities would suggest. This fragmentation effect is highly dependent on velocity, and therefore barrel length: short-barreled carbines generate less muzzle velocity and therefore lose wounding effectiveness at much shorter ranges than longer-barreled rifles.

 

Here is the actual formula for kinetic energy (as you can see, Velocity is SQUARED... the higher the velocity, SQUARED, the MUCH HIGHER impact on kinetic energy than weight or anything else). Also, this is a forensics study that SPECIFICALLY talks about sonic damage ("shock wave") causing a larger stress cavity a point that I SPECIFICALLY made previously and Archie SPECIFICALLY refuted:

https://www.whitemountainforensic.com/wound-ballistics-motion-effects-projectiles-human-body/

K.E. = W*V²/2g, where

W = weight of the projectile V = velocity of the projectile g = gravitational acceleration

What happens when a projectile impacts a human body?

As the bullet enters the body it crushes and shreds tissue in its path – this creates a permanent cavity – the “bullet hole”. In addition, the energy of the impact is dissipated in a shock wave that radially flings surrounding tissue away from the path of the projectile, creating a cavity larger than the diameter of the bullet, this is the temporary stress cavity. The temporary stress cavity exists for around 5 to 10 milliseconds with a series of gradually smaller pulsations & contractions before the formation of a permanent wound track.

The ultimate extent of the wound is determined by the kinetic energy on impact, extent of the temporary cavity and the amount of bullet fragmentation.

 

Do you prefer a report on high velocity wound ballistics by the Police instead (this report attributes damage more to yaw than velocity, but yaw does not occur without the velocity, similar to fragmentation)?

https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/wound-ballistics-of-high-velocity-cartridges-3X2LZRf2FslJbLsF/

 

Wound ballistics of high-velocity cartridges

The 5.56 x 45 mm cartridge fired from the M-16 rifle series (including the AR-15) is a 55 (or 62) grain bullet roughly three times the speed of modern handgun rounds.

Dr. Vincent DiMaio, a renowned expert in wound ballistics, says ... that when a full metal jacketed 5.56/.223 round contacts human tissue it will travel along a circular path while beginning to yaw or turn sideways. This turning effect will become significant at 12 cm (approximately 4.7 inches). At the point of maximum yaw, the bullet will be turned at a 90-degree angle as it moves forward in the body. If the bullet remains intact, it will yaw to 180 degrees and continue to travel base first until it comes to rest.

Handgun rounds do not yaw while traveling through human tissue.

This turning or yaw effect releases tremendous kinetic energy into the tissue surrounding the permanent cavity created by direct bullet contact with human tissue. Not only is the permanent cavity larger due to the sideways path of the bullet, thereby destroying more tissue through direct bullet contact, but the surrounding tissue, i.e., tissue not directly touched by the bullet, is severely impacted as well. This surrounding tissue is called the temporary wound cavity. DiMaio reports that this temporary cavity will have a diameter from 11 to 12.5 times the diameter of the bullet itself. Damage to the tissue in the temporary cavity will include “severe…compression, stretching, and shearing of the displaced tissue. Injuries to blood vessels, nerves, or organs not struck by the bullet, and at a distance from the [bullet] path can occur.”

[1984Echoes]

How about a medical study University of Utah:

https://webpath.med.utah.edu/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNINJ.html#:~:text=Wounding is an extremely complex,even under controlled test conditions.

The higher the velocity of the bullet, the more kinetic energy, and the greater the temporary cavity size, which may be more than 10 times the caliber of the bullet... Rifle bullets generally have a high velocity >2000 feet per second (fps), or >609.6 meters per second (mps), while bullets fired from handguns more typically have lower velocity. Bullets that traverse tissue without deformation or tumbling impart less kinetic energy and are more likely to exit the body.

 

Or do you want a US Governmental study on the "Physics and Biophysics of Wound Ballistics" repeating everything I just said above?

https://medcoeckapwstorprd01.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/pfw-images/borden/conventional-warfare/Chap4Pages1-12.pdf

 

I'm not certain what NRA PROPAGANDA Archie is going to cite to try and refute this... nor do I care.

Just know that I KNOW that how, when and with WHAT, an attempt is made to refute these studies that they are propaganda BS, pure and simple.

[romad1]

1984 has won the match.

[romad1]

is making me smile.

[romad1]

This will give her more time to work on her escorting.

[CMRivdogs]

MTG and Borbert both getting divorced. Love the party of family values.

[oblong]

She found a sugar daddy. 

[CMRivdogs]

They both did

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

She found a sugar daddy. 

is his name Ted Cruz?

[romad1]

The guy who attacked Gerry Connolly's office and hurt two of his staffers refused to show up at his arraignment.   How rude.

[ewsieg]

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/representative-lauren-boebert-of-colorado-files-for-divorce-campaign-confirms

Boebert, tell me you've cheated, without saying you've cheated.

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