oblong Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Does Lauren Boebert actually kiss her grandson with that vaping mouth? Vaping's not the worst consideration of what she does with that mouth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, oblong said: Vaping's not the worst consideration of what she does with that mouth True. She also talks with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, chasfh said: Now DougJBalloon do Hunter Biden and the 2nd Amend and why NRA not rushing to defend him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: That is so good. I can see his dumb face right now making that argument and Fox Heads eating it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, smr-nj said: I saw that. He is such a fool, with these self-incriminating stunts….. although it is obvious that these interviews may kill him as far as the law is concerned, but it’s all done for the personal reason of shoring up his support among the masses. What he’s doing at this point is really contaminating the jury pool. I’m kind of surprised that the judges are still allowing him to do this ****. Why are you surprised? He's gotten away with everything his whole life. Wealthy people can do anything they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 How about a little Alarmist Non-sense to take into the weekend? https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/09/mitt-romney-retirement-senate-constitution/675327/ My colleague McKay Coppins has spent two years talking with Mitt Romney, the Utah senator, former Massachusetts governor, and 2012 Republican presidential nominee. An excerpt from McKay’s forthcoming book confirmed the news that Romney has had enough of the hypocrisy and weakness of the Republican Party and will be leaving the Senate when his term expires; other stunning moments from their conversations include multiple profiles in pusillanimity among Romney’s fellow Republicans. (I am pleased to know that Senator Romney holds as low an opinion of J. D. Vance as I do; “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more,” he told McKay.) But I want to move away from the discussion about Romney himself and focus on something he said that too many people have overlooked. “Some nights he vented,” Coppins wrote of their conversations; “other nights he dished.” And then came a quiet acknowledgement that should still be shocking, even after seven years of unhinged right-wing American populism: “A very large portion of my party,” [Romney] told me one day, “really doesn’t believe in the Constitution.” He’d realized this only recently, he said. We were a few months removed from an attempted coup instigated by Republican leaders, and he was wrestling with some difficult questions. Was the authoritarian element of the GOP a product of President Trump, or had it always been there, just waiting to be activated by a sufficiently shameless demagogue? And what role had the members of the mainstream establishment—people like him, the reasonable Republicans—played in allowing the rot on the right to fester? I think every decent Republican has wondered the same thing. (The indecent ones have also wondered about it, but as Romney now accepts, people like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz have figured out that playing to the rot in the GOP base is a core skill set that helps them stay in Washington and far away from their constituents back home.) But enough about the hollow men of the GOP. Think about what Romney is saying: Millions of American citizens no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. This is not some pedestrian political observation, some throwaway line about partisan division. Leave aside for the moment that Romney is talking about Republicans and the hangers-on in the Trump movement; they are also your fellow Americans, citizens of a nation that was, until recently, one of the most durable democracies on Earth. And they no longer care about the fundamental document that governs our lives as Americans. If Republicans no longer care about the Constitution, then they no longer care about the rule of law, secular tolerance, fair elections, or the protection of basic human rights. They have no interest in the stewardship of American democracy, nor will they preserve our constitutional legacy for their children. Instead, they seek to commandeer the ship of state, pillage the hold, and then crash us all onto the rocks. It would be a relief to find out that some of this is about policy, but for many of the enemies of the Constitution among the new right, policy is irrelevant. (One exception, I suspect, might be the people who, if faced with a choice between a total ban on abortion and the survival of the Constitution, would choose theocracy over democracy; we’d all be better off if they would just admit it.) The people Romney is worried about are not policy wonks. They’re opportunists, rage-junkies, and nihilists who couldn’t care less about policy. (Romney describes one woman in Utah bellowing at him, red-faced and lost in a mist of fury while her child stood nearby, to the point where he asked her, “Aren’t you embarrassed?” She was not.) What they want is to win, to enjoy the spoils and trappings of power, and to anger and punish people they hate. There is no way to contend, in a rational or civic way, with this combination of white-hot resentment and ice-cold cynicism. Romney describes multiple incidents in which his colleagues came to him and said, You’re right, Mitt. I wish I could say what you say. I wish we could stop this nightmare. And then all of them belly right back up to the table in the Senate Dining Room and go on pandering to people who—it bears repeating—no longer care about the Constitution. This is the seedbed of authoritarianism, and it is already full of fresh green shoots. And yes, at some point, if someone is clever enough to forge a strong and organized party out of this disjointed movement, it can become a new fascism. So far, we should be grateful that Donald Trump and those who surround him have all been too selfish and too incompetent to turn their avarice into a coherent mass movement. If you’ve ever served in the military or as a civilian in the U.S. government, you’ve taken the oath that requires you, above all—so help you God—to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” and to “bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” Romney is warning us that many of his Republican colleagues and much of their base will do no such thing. They would rather turn their personal misery and resentment into mindless political destruction—even to the point of shredding one of humanity’s greatest political documents. I have written before that we can no longer indulge Republicans and their various media enablers in the fantasies that Trump is a normal candidate, that we are heading into a normal election, that the Republican Party is a normal party (or, indeed, a political party at all). How we each defend the Constitution is an individual choice, but let us at least have no pretenses, even in our daily discussions, that we live in normal times and that 2024 is just another political horse race. Everything we believe in as Americans is at stake now, and no matter what anyone thinks of Mitt Romney, we owe him a debt for saying out loud what so many Republican “leaders” fear even to whisper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) I'm tired of Romney's Crocodile Tears. If Romney was really fed up in any serious way he'd have switched parties, which would have done more to accomplish something constructive to put an end to the problem than all his hand wringing. Edited September 15, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I'm going to set aside that for the moment G2... I like what he admitted about his own, Republican, party - the truth about today's Republican Party, Trumpism, and its adherents - on record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Who is the last GOP nominee other than Trump that would be acceptable to today's party? Certainly not Romney, McCain, or either Bush. Not even Reagan. Maybe Dole? Nixon and Ike were "globalists". I'm not familair enough with who FDR ran against other than Dewery, who's a definite no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Goldwater 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 40 minutes ago, pfife said: Goldwater Goldwater told Nixon to get lost or they were removing him. Goldwater would have likely told Trump the same because he seemed to be a man who held to his principals. I think Goldwater would be out. I think today's MAGA crowd would like Nixon, but only on the grounds that he was being targeted by "evil libs that need to be shown their place and pwned." I think MAGA Republicans would have probably been ok with Reagan too because Reagan played up the welfare queen and lazy blacks on welfare card. I could see Reagan in today's world playing up the culture wars against the LGTBQ community and wokeism as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, oblong said: Who is the last GOP nominee other than Trump that would be acceptable to today's party? Certainly not Romney, McCain, or either Bush. Not even Reagan. Maybe Dole? Nixon and Ike were "globalists". I'm not familair enough with who FDR ran against other than Dewery, who's a definite no. They really wouldn’t like Wilkie who was as collective security as they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 David Duke could win the GOP nomination. Dude should pull the hood out of the closet and give it another go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ronz Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Awaiting Archie Bunker's return to rant about how Hunter Biden's Constitutional Rights are being denied. For some reason, I don't think that's going to happen. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Trailer park Barbie was doing a lot more than vaping..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) "So awesome" that the moral majority of America and the party of family values is ok with fingering your spouse in public and getting a quickie, in the movie theater, where kids and families are at. But yeah, keep telling my gay cousin on my mom's side of the family that he and his boyfriend are immoral people who are grooming children to be bad, scary gay people. Seriously, **** off GOP!!! Edited September 16, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 17 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Goldwater told Nixon to get lost or they were removing him. Goldwater would have likely told Trump the same because he seemed to be a man who held to his principals. I think Goldwater would be out. I think today's MAGA crowd would like Nixon, but only on the grounds that he was being targeted by "evil libs that need to be shown their place and pwned." I think MAGA Republicans would have probably been ok with Reagan too because Reagan played up the welfare queen and lazy blacks on welfare card. I could see Reagan in today's world playing up the culture wars against the LGTBQ community and wokeism as well. I agree with this in general, and as for the idea that Nixon would have been considered too globalist because of his foreign policy actions: I have no idea either way, but I’m wondering whether the so-called globalism on his part was the result of his own convictions, or whether he felt pressured by outside forces such as the overwhelmingly Democratic congresses he had to work with. I also wonder that about his creation of the EPA, which he gets almost total credit for, and which consolidated the disparate parts of enforcement of the new NEPA law that had been strewn across several existing departments into its own department. Was he streamlining it to make it a more effective organization, or was he actually consolidating it to make it easier to control the slow-rolling of its implementations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 11 hours ago, MIguy said: Trailer park Barbie was doing a lot more than vaping..... The best part about his groping her breasts is that she guided his hand there with her own hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 22 hours ago, chasfh said: How about a little Alarmist Non-sense to take into the weekend? https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/09/mitt-romney-retirement-senate-constitution/675327/ My colleague McKay Coppins has spent two years talking with Mitt Romney, the Utah senator, former Massachusetts governor, and 2012 Republican presidential nominee. An excerpt from McKay’s forthcoming book confirmed the news that Romney has had enough of the hypocrisy and weakness of the Republican Party and will be leaving the Senate when his term expires; other stunning moments from their conversations include multiple profiles in pusillanimity among Romney’s fellow Republicans. (I am pleased to know that Senator Romney holds as low an opinion of J. D. Vance as I do; “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more,” he told McKay.) But I want to move away from the discussion about Romney himself and focus on something he said that too many people have overlooked. “Some nights he vented,” Coppins wrote of their conversations; “other nights he dished.” And then came a quiet acknowledgement that should still be shocking, even after seven years of unhinged right-wing American populism: “A very large portion of my party,” [Romney] told me one day, “really doesn’t believe in the Constitution.” He’d realized this only recently, he said. We were a few months removed from an attempted coup instigated by Republican leaders, and he was wrestling with some difficult questions. Was the authoritarian element of the GOP a product of President Trump, or had it always been there, just waiting to be activated by a sufficiently shameless demagogue? And what role had the members of the mainstream establishment—people like him, the reasonable Republicans—played in allowing the rot on the right to fester? I think every decent Republican has wondered the same thing. (The indecent ones have also wondered about it, but as Romney now accepts, people like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz have figured out that playing to the rot in the GOP base is a core skill set that helps them stay in Washington and far away from their constituents back home.) But enough about the hollow men of the GOP. Think about what Romney is saying: Millions of American citizens no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. This is not some pedestrian political observation, some throwaway line about partisan division. Leave aside for the moment that Romney is talking about Republicans and the hangers-on in the Trump movement; they are also your fellow Americans, citizens of a nation that was, until recently, one of the most durable democracies on Earth. And they no longer care about the fundamental document that governs our lives as Americans. If Republicans no longer care about the Constitution, then they no longer care about the rule of law, secular tolerance, fair elections, or the protection of basic human rights. They have no interest in the stewardship of American democracy, nor will they preserve our constitutional legacy for their children. Instead, they seek to commandeer the ship of state, pillage the hold, and then crash us all onto the rocks. It would be a relief to find out that some of this is about policy, but for many of the enemies of the Constitution among the new right, policy is irrelevant. (One exception, I suspect, might be the people who, if faced with a choice between a total ban on abortion and the survival of the Constitution, would choose theocracy over democracy; we’d all be better off if they would just admit it.) The people Romney is worried about are not policy wonks. They’re opportunists, rage-junkies, and nihilists who couldn’t care less about policy. (Romney describes one woman in Utah bellowing at him, red-faced and lost in a mist of fury while her child stood nearby, to the point where he asked her, “Aren’t you embarrassed?” She was not.) What they want is to win, to enjoy the spoils and trappings of power, and to anger and punish people they hate. There is no way to contend, in a rational or civic way, with this combination of white-hot resentment and ice-cold cynicism. Romney describes multiple incidents in which his colleagues came to him and said, You’re right, Mitt. I wish I could say what you say. I wish we could stop this nightmare. And then all of them belly right back up to the table in the Senate Dining Room and go on pandering to people who—it bears repeating—no longer care about the Constitution. This is the seedbed of authoritarianism, and it is already full of fresh green shoots. And yes, at some point, if someone is clever enough to forge a strong and organized party out of this disjointed movement, it can become a new fascism. So far, we should be grateful that Donald Trump and those who surround him have all been too selfish and too incompetent to turn their avarice into a coherent mass movement. If you’ve ever served in the military or as a civilian in the U.S. government, you’ve taken the oath that requires you, above all—so help you God—to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” and to “bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” Romney is warning us that many of his Republican colleagues and much of their base will do no such thing. They would rather turn their personal misery and resentment into mindless political destruction—even to the point of shredding one of humanity’s greatest political documents. I have written before that we can no longer indulge Republicans and their various media enablers in the fantasies that Trump is a normal candidate, that we are heading into a normal election, that the Republican Party is a normal party (or, indeed, a political party at all). How we each defend the Constitution is an individual choice, but let us at least have no pretenses, even in our daily discussions, that we live in normal times and that 2024 is just another political horse race. Everything we believe in as Americans is at stake now, and no matter what anyone thinks of Mitt Romney, we owe him a debt for saying out loud what so many Republican “leaders” fear even to whisper. I forwarded this...woah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 20 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm tired of Romney's Crocodile Tears. If Romney was really fed up in any serious way he'd have switched parties, which would have done more to accomplish something constructive to put an end to the problem than all his hand wringing. Like me, his views on collective security, the rule of Law, and limited government remain his views. The party has changed. The democrats are gooder on the first two but not the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 22 hours ago, chasfh said: How about a little Alarmist Non-sense to take into the weekend? https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/09/mitt-romney-retirement-senate-constitution/675327/ My colleague McKay Coppins has spent two years talking with Mitt Romney, the Utah senator, former Massachusetts governor, and 2012 Republican presidential nominee. An excerpt from McKay’s forthcoming book confirmed the news that Romney has had enough of the hypocrisy and weakness of the Republican Party and will be leaving the Senate when his term expires; other stunning moments from their conversations include multiple profiles in pusillanimity among Romney’s fellow Republicans. (I am pleased to know that Senator Romney holds as low an opinion of J. D. Vance as I do; “I don’t know that I can disrespect someone more,” he told McKay.) But I want to move away from the discussion about Romney himself and focus on something he said that too many people have overlooked. “Some nights he vented,” Coppins wrote of their conversations; “other nights he dished.” And then came a quiet acknowledgement that should still be shocking, even after seven years of unhinged right-wing American populism: “A very large portion of my party,” [Romney] told me one day, “really doesn’t believe in the Constitution.” He’d realized this only recently, he said. We were a few months removed from an attempted coup instigated by Republican leaders, and he was wrestling with some difficult questions. Was the authoritarian element of the GOP a product of President Trump, or had it always been there, just waiting to be activated by a sufficiently shameless demagogue? And what role had the members of the mainstream establishment—people like him, the reasonable Republicans—played in allowing the rot on the right to fester? I think every decent Republican has wondered the same thing. (The indecent ones have also wondered about it, but as Romney now accepts, people like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz have figured out that playing to the rot in the GOP base is a core skill set that helps them stay in Washington and far away from their constituents back home.) But enough about the hollow men of the GOP. Think about what Romney is saying: Millions of American citizens no longer believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. This is not some pedestrian political observation, some throwaway line about partisan division. Leave aside for the moment that Romney is talking about Republicans and the hangers-on in the Trump movement; they are also your fellow Americans, citizens of a nation that was, until recently, one of the most durable democracies on Earth. And they no longer care about the fundamental document that governs our lives as Americans. If Republicans no longer care about the Constitution, then they no longer care about the rule of law, secular tolerance, fair elections, or the protection of basic human rights. They have no interest in the stewardship of American democracy, nor will they preserve our constitutional legacy for their children. Instead, they seek to commandeer the ship of state, pillage the hold, and then crash us all onto the rocks. It would be a relief to find out that some of this is about policy, but for many of the enemies of the Constitution among the new right, policy is irrelevant. (One exception, I suspect, might be the people who, if faced with a choice between a total ban on abortion and the survival of the Constitution, would choose theocracy over democracy; we’d all be better off if they would just admit it.) The people Romney is worried about are not policy wonks. They’re opportunists, rage-junkies, and nihilists who couldn’t care less about policy. (Romney describes one woman in Utah bellowing at him, red-faced and lost in a mist of fury while her child stood nearby, to the point where he asked her, “Aren’t you embarrassed?” She was not.) What they want is to win, to enjoy the spoils and trappings of power, and to anger and punish people they hate. There is no way to contend, in a rational or civic way, with this combination of white-hot resentment and ice-cold cynicism. Romney describes multiple incidents in which his colleagues came to him and said, You’re right, Mitt. I wish I could say what you say. I wish we could stop this nightmare. And then all of them belly right back up to the table in the Senate Dining Room and go on pandering to people who—it bears repeating—no longer care about the Constitution. This is the seedbed of authoritarianism, and it is already full of fresh green shoots. And yes, at some point, if someone is clever enough to forge a strong and organized party out of this disjointed movement, it can become a new fascism. So far, we should be grateful that Donald Trump and those who surround him have all been too selfish and too incompetent to turn their avarice into a coherent mass movement. If you’ve ever served in the military or as a civilian in the U.S. government, you’ve taken the oath that requires you, above all—so help you God—to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” and to “bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” Romney is warning us that many of his Republican colleagues and much of their base will do no such thing. They would rather turn their personal misery and resentment into mindless political destruction—even to the point of shredding one of humanity’s greatest political documents. I have written before that we can no longer indulge Republicans and their various media enablers in the fantasies that Trump is a normal candidate, that we are heading into a normal election, that the Republican Party is a normal party (or, indeed, a political party at all). How we each defend the Constitution is an individual choice, but let us at least have no pretenses, even in our daily discussions, that we live in normal times and that 2024 is just another political horse race. Everything we believe in as Americans is at stake now, and no matter what anyone thinks of Mitt Romney, we owe him a debt for saying out loud what so many Republican “leaders” fear even to whisper. There was something in the Hacks on Tap podcast the other day about Romney having a map of the world in which it outlined the fall of great civilizations and he noted that in most cases the fall had something to do with authoritarianism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 22 hours ago, MIguy said: Trailer park Barbie was doing a lot more than vaping..... Apparently, the guy she was groping owns a bar that hosts drag shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Apparently, the guy she was groping owns a bar that hosts drag shows. From his perspective, who cares. She's the one with something to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, romad1 said: From his perspective, who cares. She's the one with something to lose. Yeah, his upside here is Kevin Federline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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