oblong Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, romad1 said: This is skeevy There needs to be an investigation into his sweetheart deal arranged by the former labor secretary with help from Ken Starr, and I think Bill Barr too. This happened late in the Bush admin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 39 minutes ago, oblong said: There needs to be an investigation into his sweetheart deal arranged by the former labor secretary with help from Ken Starr, and I think Bill Barr too. This happened late in the Bush admin. Concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The story out of Russia that Navalny's mother has not been allowed to take away her son's body for burial SHOULD hit the feels of all the self-described Christians in the GOP. The Pieta happens to be one of the most sacred images in the entire Christian canon. I'm just saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, romad1 said: The story out of Russia that Navalny's mother has not been allowed to take away her son's body for burial SHOULD hit the feels of all the self-described Christians in the GOP. The Pieta happens to be one of the most sacred images in the entire Christian canon. I'm just saying. You'd think it would hit the feels of any self-professed "small government" conservative given how decidedly "big government" the idea of not turning over the remains to the family and the government keeping possession of them is. But I've given up on ideological consistency at this point. lol Edited February 23 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, romad1 said: The story out of Russia that Navalny's mother has not been allowed to take away her son's body for burial SHOULD hit the feels of all the self-described Christians in the GOP. The Pieta happens to be one of the most sacred images in the entire Christian canon. I'm just saying. I don’t think this story, or this kind of iconography, resonates with the evangelicals, who make up the plurality of red hats, at all. Evangelicals don’t believe in any special status for Mary: that she was a perpetual virgin; that she was raised into heaven via the Assumption; that she was immaculately conceived and sinless while on Earth; or that she should be venerated or even prayed to as the Queen of Heaven. In fact, praying to Mary is considered a blatant apostasy since all honor and glory should be reserved to Jesus Christ and him alone. Therefore, veneration of her is idolatrous heresy, and beyond that, it is a sore spot for them that Catholics believe all these things about Mary, and serves as a linchpin of their argument that Catholics are not even to be considered Christians. So attempts to appeal to their religious soft spot by using her in this example would probably fall well short of the mark. Mary is, more or less, just another woman from ancient times to them, albeit one who did God a solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Being raised as a Catholic, I'm convinced Mary just got knocked up and back then that was punishable by death so she concocted this story about carrying the son of God. The kid goes on to do some David Copperfield type magic tricks and the whole story works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 29 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think this story, or this kind of iconography, resonates with the evangelicals, who make up the plurality of red hats, at all. Evangelicals don’t believe in any special status for Mary: that she was a perpetual virgin; that she was raised into heaven via the Assumption; that she was immaculately conceived and sinless while on Earth; or that she should be venerated or even prayed to as the Queen of Heaven. In fact, praying to Mary is considered a blatant apostasy since all honor and glory should be reserved to Jesus Christ and him alone. Therefore, veneration of her is idolatrous heresy, and beyond that, it is a sore spot for them that Catholics believe all these things about Mary, and serves as a linchpin of their argument that Catholics are not even to be considered Christians. So attempts to appeal to their religious soft spot by using her in this example would probably fall well short of the mark. Mary is, more or less, just another woman from ancient times to them, albeit one who did God a solid. I agree on the lack of impact...the entire notion of shaming them is crazy, but on the other hand, Kenneth Copeland has been divinely anointed as a new apostle because he says so. edit: 5 Dangerous Errors of the New Apostolic Reformation (raptureforums.com) Edited February 23 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 45 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think this story, or this kind of iconography, resonates with the evangelicals, who make up the plurality of red hats, at all. Evangelicals don’t believe in any special status for Mary: that she was a perpetual virgin; that she was raised into heaven via the Assumption; that she was immaculately conceived and sinless while on Earth; or that she should be venerated or even prayed to as the Queen of Heaven. In fact, praying to Mary is considered a blatant apostasy since all honor and glory should be reserved to Jesus Christ and him alone. Therefore, veneration of her is idolatrous heresy, and beyond that, it is a sore spot for them that Catholics believe all these things about Mary, and serves as a linchpin of their argument that Catholics are not even to be considered Christians. So attempts to appeal to their religious soft spot by using her in this example would probably fall well short of the mark. Mary is, more or less, just another woman from ancient times to them, albeit one who did God a solid. I've always assumed that when the writer of Ecclesiastes was writing about 'vanity and striving after wind' he was thinking about theology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 They've gone beyond saying the quiet part out loud to shouting it from the rooftops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, romad1 said: No one ever said it better than Gene Wilder: "The common clay of the West....you know.....Morons...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 8 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: They've gone beyond saying the quiet part out loud to shouting it from the rooftops "I was joking lol!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: seriously bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motown Bombers Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Hilary derangement affects the left just as much as the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Measles outbreak. 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 hours ago, pfife said: Measles outbreak. 2024. 99% (wag) amongst Republican unvaccinated ASSHATS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 37 minutes ago, GoBlue23 said: Not for nothing that decision comes out of Grand Rapids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I celebrate the gentlemen who is the puncher and f the receiver of this punch for wearing a Nazi armband in a US city Tear the fascists down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/25/2024 at 1:10 PM, Motown Bombers said: I am pretty sure that is fake, but many of his supporters are dumb enough where it might not be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, romad1 said: The non-crazy part of American Christianity is very conflicted about pushing back publicly against their political brethren even as they have more and more come to realize they need to be challenged. It's a fine line to walk without simply becoming their mirror image in apostasy. Puts me in mind of the kinds of things Gandalf and Galadriel said when refusing the ring. Once you cross line from humility to claiming moral authority in the name of a greater power you put yourselves in peril of losing the way back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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