romad1 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 The thing with the Medal of Freedom is that its Trump's true feelings about the worth of people. There are servile people who say "Sir" to him and there are rich people who are of use to him and who need to be curried favor of in his interests. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 17 Author Share Posted August 17 This is what we are fighting against, and what MAGA is leaning into. We are a nation rooted in superstitious mythology. Please make it stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyLou Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) Hey, if G-d will make sure, then Drumpf supporters shouldn't bother to vote, right? Seriously, this is what should convince people to get together and make sure he doesn't get back in-and then go back to fighting for other causes. Put on your own mask first so that you can help others with theirs. Edited August 17 by LaceyLou 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, chasfh said: This is what we are fighting against, and what MAGA is leaning into. We are a nation rooted in superstitious mythology. Please make it stop. Ezra Klein with a another good interview in the NYT with a couple of people who study gender issues. Some interesting stuff. They divide the gender gap men in the GOP into two groups. I'll call the first the 'bro' group. They don't have big issues with modernity, or abortion, or even women's rights per se, but they feel they are being disadvantaged in the workplace unfairly, and what they really don't like culturally is that the fun part of Bubba Culture, which is wearing your sexism/libido in public, is being taken away. The hate to lose their right to be crude, crass and sexist. They see being civil to women 100% of the time as being a denial of their masculinity. The more insidious group are the medievalists - the Peter Thiel/JD Vance type who are basically holdovers from Nazi eugenics and their concerns pretty much boil down to purity of the gene pool. They are desperately concerned about population decline, 'replacement' by the brown hordes etc. Their aims are only met by women who stay home and procreate and that's what drives them to embrace 'Handmaid's Tale' culture. The only verse of the Bible they remember is the one about 'subdue the earth' - and there is a lot old style RCC sex and patriarchy theology still current with this group. These two groups don't intersect on a lot of things, but LGBTQ folks make both groups nervous (for different reasons) and that has become a big point of alliance between them. And anti-immigration also sells well with both groups. Edited August 17 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 So God allowed there to be dozens and dozens of women Prime Ministers and Presidents in other countries, just not the USA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Interesting that MAGA "Christians" conveniently forget Ester, Ruth, Sarah, Mary mother of Jesus, Elizabeth, Martha, Mary Magdalene, etc. They may not have been elected leaders (Ester was a queen). But one could argue they received as much "grace" from the Creator that a Blowhard pretender from Queens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: So God allowed there to be dozens and dozens of women Prime Ministers and Presidents in other countries, just not the USA? Because we are the chosen people silly - of course the rules are different for us! Seriously, the evangelicals esp love the old testament, an if you look at the Torah, all the Levitical laws were designed expressly for that purpose - to separate the chosen from the rest of humanity by having all these special ritual, leadership, purity, and sacrificial rules. Christianity usually bills itself as an inheritor or fulfilment of OT scripture but what that view misses is the diametrically opposed approach of the Torah - which was to separate the Hebrews and in particular the priestly leadership from everyone else in as many ways as possible, and the ministry of Jesus and particularly the teachings of Paul, who sought to open the new convenant to everyone. There is a real tension between these that is almost never recognized in Christian theology but I think that is why sects that spend a lot of time in the OT ethos tend to fall into the kinds of exclusionary and rule bound nonsense that we see in today's evangelicals. Edited August 17 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 17 Author Share Posted August 17 5 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: So God allowed there to be dozens and dozens of women Prime Ministers and Presidents in other countries, just not the USA? As far as they're concerned, the USA is the only country blessed by God to rule the world, and if a woman is elected to rule the USA, we will have abandoned God, or something like that. Not even Israel is blessed because, you know, Golda Meir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) 48 minutes ago, chasfh said: As far as they're concerned, the USA is the only country blessed by God to rule the world, and if a woman is elected to rule the USA, we will have abandoned God, or something like that. Not even Israel is blessed because, you know, Golda Meir. When Golda was PM, Israel still considered itself a secular country. I wouldn't be surprised if the religious right in Israel today would refuse to join a coalition gov with a female PM. People complain about 1st past the post election systems, but Israel is what you get when you don't have it - the power ends up concentrating in the most marginal outliers in a ruling coalition, and one day 50 yrs later you wake up and find you've ceded so much ground to the crazies that your country and government is becoming the mirror image of your enemy's extremism. Edited August 17 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 (edited) great line from Sarah Longwell in this pod. "All these people see Trump's disruption as an opportunity for them to become ascendant. Many of these people were the types of people Heritage and other organization would keep out." Edited August 19 by romad1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 Uhhhh … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 JFC. This guy is still around? I purged him long ago. It’s like flashbacks to 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Glenn Youngkin is now a holocaust denier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Yeah, this is cognitive dissonance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Just now, romad1 said: Yeah, this is cognitive dissonance. This nail should be hammered and hammered and hammered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, romad1 said: Yeah, this is cognitive dissonance. Maybe he means only Confederate statutes and monuments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: Maybe he means only Confederate statutes and monuments. Ones not erected by the government but by the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smr-nj Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 3 hours ago, chasfh said: What is that hand signal that the woman in white, and the one in light blue are making? 🤘🏼. I don’t know what that means, but I have a feeling it means something. edit to add: the other woman in blue is also trying to make the same signal, but didn’t get her hand up in time to have it in the picture? What does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Just now, smr-nj said: What is that hand signal that the woman in white, and the one in light blue are making? 🤘🏼. I don’t know what that means, but I have a feeling it means something. According to the replies on twitter, it was something the deceased soldier did a lot so it was a tribte to her. I wondered the same thing. Maybe she was a Dio fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, oblong said: According to the replies on twitter, it was something the deceased soldier did a lot so it was a tribte to her. I wondered the same thing. Maybe she was a Dio fan. If that’s the case, that’s touching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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