Tigerbomb13 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I feel like it’s hard to say. She probably scared off a lot of independents and moderates, but also fired up the proto-MAGA portion. She was a little early to get the same following Trump did. All said, I don’t think the race would have been very close either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 I don’t think Palin could ever have gotten the following Trump has. I can’t think of any right-winger who could, given the sum total of Trump’s various attributes. He’s a unique bird in the scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, oblong said: I think she helped him because the conservatives really were not happy with his nomination. She drew in a lot of the people who later would make Trump the nominee. I remember listening to Hannity doing a bit on his show where he was pretending to like him but then took it all back. But her being on the ticket gave people like him the reason to get behind McCain. A lot of those people stayed home in 2012. After the war in Iraq pretty much any D would have won that year. Bush was also one of the lowest rated outgoing presidents and the economy was collapsing. McCain was just too similar to Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, chasfh said: I don’t think Palin could ever have gotten the following Trump has. I can’t think of any right-winger who could, given the sum total of Trump’s various attributes. He’s a unique bird in the scheme of things. Trump was leveraged by his celebrity on the Apprentice, which is what opened the door for him on Fox. Not many other people you can think that could bring that kind of pre-launch altitude. At some level most American's realize that 'reality TV' is scripted, but they still give a guy like Trump a pass in terms the 'character' they spent time with being him instead of him playing himself as per the producers 'script'. Edited February 15, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I suspect the RNC ran some numbers and realized they were not going to get enough of the independent/maverick voters to offset the hardcore who would stay home. I don’t recall who the contenders were for VP but a guy like Thompson is who I am thinking of. So they did the Hail Mary by thinking having a no name female would draw. Did they know she was a kook? Doubt it. Was she back then? Who knows. She wasn’t smart but was also savvy enough to play victim against the elite. The type of mothers who go to church and home school and watch the Duggars sure loved her. She was able to carve out her niche and wasn’t interested in Alaska anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 This is a bit elitist, but still funny: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I don't think Palin did McCain any favors. I do remember walking thru a hotel lobby in Dublin and seeing it on TV and my wife who fairly much in the know going "who the hell is she". I do believe she cost McCain some votes, along with McCain's actions during the banking meltdown. (Yes Bush was still president but McCain's shutting down his campaign followed by a couple days of perceived dithering lost him several points.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: (Yes Bush was still president but McCain's shutting down his campaign followed by a couple days of perceived dithering lost him several points.) yeah - the McCain campaign was one for the ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: I don't think Palin did McCain any favors. I do remember walking thru a hotel lobby in Dublin and seeing it on TV and my wife who fairly much in the know going "who the hell is she". I do believe she cost McCain some votes, along with McCain's actions during the banking meltdown. (Yes Bush was still president but McCain's shutting down his campaign followed by a couple days of perceived dithering lost him several points.) Obama probably wins regardless, but the "shutting down the campaign" thing probably did more damage than any one factor. I was also struck by contemporaneous accounts of the meeting that Bush had with Obama/McCain at The White House and how even the Bush people seemed to feel McCain was out of his depth on the subject of the collapse. McCain was a gifted politician and a true statesman, but he was a foreign policy guy arguing the status quo (ie. largely unpopular at the time) running in an election dominated at the end by financial issues and the economy. Even setting aside the poor fundamentals for any GOP candidate, the election cycle didn't play to his own personal strengths at all. As for Palin, my best guess is that she was a wash. She may have brought out a few more conservatives, but I seem to recall at the time that, by the end of the campaign, she wasn't all that popular with the general public as a whole. But I'd have to look that up, it's been a while Edited February 16, 2022 by mtutiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Obama probably wins regardless, but the "shutting down the campaign" thing probably did more damage than any one factor. Yup. McCain looked at the financial crises like a military crisis, a time when everyone might have to bury their differences and pull together, but that is exactly wrong. A financial crises is a policy crisis that demands political debate and public political decision making about the direction of future policy. It really telegraphed that he didn't understand the situation or the politcal processes that needed to happen. Edited February 16, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 10:03 AM, Archie said: I thought I would stop by because I was curious if you guys supported the Freedom Truckers or not. I don't know of any of my liberal friends who don't support them but I'm not surprised to see they have no support here. They are demonstrating what a peaceful protest actually is.... Archie Bunker's "Freedom Truckers" are looking to murder Canadian police officers. https://www.yahoo.com/news/mounties-seize-weapons-cache-arrest-024105649.html This is what Archie Bunker supports. What he calls "a peaceful protest". In plain English: Right Wing Fascist Death Squad members looking to murder police officers, politicians, journalists, and Democracy. Today's American "Conservative". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 The party of LAW AND ORDER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tigeraholic1 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said: It is so true. These guys have me bending more and more to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Well this is disappointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 When I heard she did her last game and was going into "activism" or wahtever they called it I knew what that meant. She's aging out of one job and going to grift her way to the craziness and get a job there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, oblong said: When I heard she did her last game and was going into "activism" or wahtever they called it I knew what that meant. She's aging out of one job and going to grift her way to the craziness and get a job there. You are so right about aging out, that "hot girl on the sidelines" routine is so transparent on every network that broadcasts NFL games. We are supposed to believe that that means that there is "a woman on the broadcast team". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: You are so right about aging out, that "hot girl on the sidelines" routine is so transparent on every network that broadcasts NFL games. We are supposed to believe that that means that there is "a woman on the broadcast team". and when they interview the player/coach during the game he's not listening and just says whatever he wants. During the game it's "I just talked with XXX and he said this....." Now I will walk around in my leather pants and wave to the fans. I fully support women in journalism but the hot sideline reporter ain't it. They are just one level up from the girls who tell us what round it is in the boxing matches (if that's still a thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I watched the Olympic hockey game last night and the panel berween periods was all female. Good looking, yes of course, but experienced broadcasters and former hockey players. It was very good, better than it would have been with men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, oblong said: When I heard she did her last game and was going into "activism" or wahtever they called it I knew what that meant. She's aging out of one job and going to grift her way to the craziness and get a job there. I think she's been doing a talk show on one of the radio stations in Minneapolis for a few years now. This move is not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jim Cowan said: I watched the Olympic hockey game last night and the panel berween periods was all female. Good looking, yes of course, but experienced broadcasters and former hockey players. It was very good, better than it would have been with men. We have a "broad" 🙂 on our local FSD or Bally's Wings coverage and she's quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I miss Shannon Hogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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