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19 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

Mark Meadows had a really good gig going until he decided to follow Trump. He represented a House district in NC that votes GOP every election, not even close. Cawthorne got elected out of the same district Meadows vacated to become Trump’s chief of staff.

Meadows is paying the price for following Trump. I believe every single one of his kind are going to pay for their very poor choices regarding their actions around the January 6 debacle. 

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9 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

 

Well, technically, if someone believes that God controls every little thing that happens in the universe and that he makes every decision about what's going to happen, big and small, as part of God's plan, then they could be forgiven for saying God wanted their mother raped, since in their mind, that's part of God's plan.

Once you've pulled on that thread, though, then you would have to admit the futility and pointlessness of praying to God for anything, since he has a plan that's already pre-ordained, and so, what, you think he's gonna change his plan for you just because you ask him dear God please let the Tigers win tonight?

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Well, technically, if someone believes that God controls every little thing that happens in the universe and that he makes every decision about what's going to happen, big and small, as part of God's plan, then they could be forgiven for saying God wanted their mother raped, since in their mind, that's part of God's plan.

Once you've pulled on that thread, though, then you would have to admit the futility and pointlessness of praying to God for anything, since he has a plan that's already pre-ordained, and so, what, you think he's gonna change his plan for you just because you ask him dear God please let the Tigers win tonight?

yeah - the whole 'predestination' thing doesn't work with free will. Can't square that circle. Voids moral responsibility and no Church will go there. So you are left with God that is omnipotent but doesn't know the future, God that is omnipotent and omniscient but chooses not to intervene, and God that is neither omnipotent nor omniscient ( e.g. alien architect concept). Organized church doesn't like to talk about any of those options much but generally settles on some variation of #2.

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9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

yeah - the whole 'predestination' thing doesn't work with free will. Can't square that circle. Voids moral responsibility and no Church will go there. So you are left with God that is omnipotent but doesn't know the future, God that is omnipotent and omniscient but chooses not to intervene, and God that is neither omnipotent nor omniscient ( e.g. alien architect concept). Organized church doesn't like to talk about any of those options much but generally settles on some variation of #2.

If God is omnipotent and omniscient but chooses not to intervene, then there is no God's plan.

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8 hours ago, pfife said:

I sure hope you're right but I think absolutely none of them are going to pay anything.

The first couple of weeks after it happened, there was a ray of hope that they might pay.  Then the GOP found out that MAGA land loved the insurrection.  

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