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38 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

You'd have be pretty stupid to not realize that Trump was fully on board with the insurrection.  However, I am confident that nothing will ever happen to Trump and those around him.  And noting will ever turn his supporters against him.  

Yeah - it's ridiculous the knots people will tie themselves in to deny the obvious. All Trump had to do was go on camera and tell them to go home, he refused to make the effort. How obvious can complicity be? It doesn't even matter to argue they might not have listened to him, his lack of effort alone stands as the irrefutable fact convicting him.

In fact a man with any kind of courage would have gone to the Capitol and told them to stand down. But Trump is coward even in the face of his own supporters.

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The worst thing that happened on Jan 6 and nobody talks about it.  An officer fired a gun into an unarmed crowd of people and killed someone.  Actually there were armed people in that crowd but it was other officers.  The police involved in the brianna brown shooting were fired for something similar.  Why was this guy given a free pass and nobody cares?  He knows you don't fire a gun blindly without knowing whats behind the target.

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10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Yeah - it's ridiculous the knots people will tie themselves in to deny the obvious. All Trump had to do was go on camera and tell them to go home, he refused to make the effort. How obvious can complicity be? It doesn't even matter to argue they might not have listened to him, his lack of effort alone stands as the irrefutable fact convicting him.

In fact a man with any kind of courage would have gone to the Capitol and told them to stand down. But Trump is coward even in the face of his own supporters.

I don’t think “courage” is the operative concept here. Trump could be a coward in this case only if he was afraid to keep the crowd from doing something he didn’t want them to.

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1 hour ago, Archie said:

The worst thing that happened on Jan 6 and nobody talks about it.  An officer fired a gun into an unarmed crowd of people and killed someone.  Actually there were armed people in that crowd but it was other officers.  The police involved in the brianna brown shooting were fired for something similar.  Why was this guy given a free pass and nobody cares?  He knows you don't fire a gun blindly without knowing whats behind the target.

A violent mob was breaching a secure area where the vice president was. That cop is a hero. The victim deserved it.

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Flag poles, bear spray, baseball bats, chains, fire extinguishers all can be fairly lethal weapons in a large crowd of protesters. There’s even been documentation of firearms brought into the Capitol.

If these guys had followed the law and stayed no one would have gotten shot.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/capitol-protesters-were-armed-with-variety-of-weapons/

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Anyone who characterizes a crowd in which several people were armed as being "an unarmed crowd" is a person with interest.

What is disconcerting to me is that Mike Flynn brother who was in the NMCC at the Pentagon is still employed by the US Army in a position of trust.  The 82nd Airborne ready brigade should have been in the air and on the ground with bayonets on the day.   

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It goes to protocol and rules of an officer discharging a gun.  There were other officers in that crowd as they were some of the first to the aid of the victim. The similarity to the Louisville officers is they returned fire and there were people in other connected apartments that could have been hit. That's what they got in trouble for. What if the Capitol officer would have shot another officer?  It was a very reckless and dangerous discharge of a firearm.

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5 minutes ago, Archie said:

It goes to protocol and rules of an officer discharging a gun.  There were other officers in that crowd as they were some of the first to the aid of the victim. The similarity to the Louisville officers is they returned fire and there were people in other connected apartments that could have been hit. That's what they got in trouble for. What if the Capitol officer would have shot another officer?  It was a very reckless and dangerous discharge of a firearm.

He followed protocol. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030354113/capitol-police-officer-ashli-babbitt-riot

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40 minutes ago, romad1 said:

It really is the two americas here isn't it?   One is the propagandized version designed to make racially sensitive ex-urban America feel better about itself and the other is the one in which facts and science matter. 

And the only reason anyone is trying to make them feel better about themselves is because Anyone wants their money and votes, and that’s the extent of it.

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