Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[Tigerbomb13]

2 hours ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said:

 

4.8 billion? 😂

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

35 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

4.8 billion? 😂

Gym must have had his mistake pointed out to him, because he deleted the tweet. but not before "4.8 billion" got trending.

[Edman85]

Just doing the math on Boebert.

She had to drop out of high school because she had a kid. It seems all the kids belong to her husband, who is six years older.

[chasfh]

On 4/10/2022 at 10:57 PM, oblong said:

I’d love for the EC to go away. I used to be a proponent but now understand the problem with giving power to the few. I just don’t see it happening. You won’t get 2/3 of the states to approve an amendment. The National popular vote initiative has some legal issues to be resolved and I’m not sure the makeup of the court would support it.  I see too much wiggle room. At least based on Wikipedia research 😂

 

I remember when you were a proponent of the Electoral College. You and I tangled on that issue a few times some years ago on the old board. I'm glad to see we're on the same side now. 👍

[Motown Bombers]

 

[CMRivdogs]

Party of Trump democracy at work....

 

[oblong]

I've said many times I was technically a part delegate.  They got a hold of me somehow and asked me to do it.  This was 2012 or something like that.  I went ahead and did it.  Then I started getting the emails.  It was pathetic.   These people were morons just based on the emails they'd send.  This was the downriver/dearborn area.  I can only imagine Macomb.

 

[Tigerbomb13]

14 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Party of Trump democracy at work....

 

Dems in disarray 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[romad1]

This is my hope

 

[Motown Bombers]

8 minutes ago, romad1 said:

This is my hope

 

In a similar vein, a long thread from an optomistic chap. 

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[oblong]

Florida being invaded by Texas.... have at it boys. It'll be like Iran/Iraq in the 80's.  Can't lose.

 

[Motown Bombers]

These immigrants are lucky. I would take a free bus ride out of Texas all day long. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[HighOPS]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:18 AM, chasfh said:

I remember when you were a proponent of the Electoral College. You and I tangled on that issue a few times some years ago on the old board. I'm glad to see we're on the same side now. 👍

Dilute it. Change the House size to 2000 members.

[ewsieg]

23 hours ago, romad1 said:

This is my hope

 

Unfortunately the more likely headline would have been "Actually possible to screw up American even further, with unacceptable candidates."

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, HighOPS said:

Dilute it. Change the House size to 2000 members.

really. Even going to a perfectly reasonable number like 500 would make a big difference. There is a concept out there that I don't remember the name for - 'Wyoming Rule' or something like that where you make size of the House District no  larger than the population of the smallest state. IIRC, if that were implemented the size of the House would still be reasonable.

Edited April 13, 2022 by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

really. Even going to a perfectly reasonable number like 500 would make a big difference. There is a concept out there that I don't remember the name for - 'Wyoming Rule' or something like that where you make size of the House District no  larger than the population of the smallest state. IIRC, if that were implemented the size of the House would still be reasonable.

Under the Wyoming rule, California would go from 52 districts to at least 68. 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, HighOPS said:

Dilute it. Change the House size to 2000 members.

I'm in favor of both: expand the House, and shitcan the Electoral College. It doesn't have to be either-or.

I think the House of Representatives should have 1,563 members right now. How did I come up with that number? The House was expanded to 435 after the 1910 census. There were roughly 92,200,000 people in the United states. That's one representative per 212,000 people. There are now roughly 331,450,000 people in the US as of 2020. At one congress critter per 212,000 folks, that comes to 1,563 critters in total.

So, this is how many members should be in the House for each state, based on that number:

State	Population	Reps
Alabama	5,024,279	24
Alaska	733,391	3
Arizona	7,151,502	34
Arkansas	3,011,524	14
California	39,538,223	186
Colorado	5,773,714	27
Connecticut	3,605,944	17
Delaware	989,948	5
D. of C.	689,545	3
Florida	21,538,187	102
Georgia	10,711,908	51
Hawaii	1,455,271	7
Idaho	1,839,106	9
Illinois	12,812,508	60
Indiana	6,785,528	32
Iowa	3,190,369	15
Kansas	2,937,880	14
Kentucky	4,505,836	21
Louisiana	4,657,757	22
Maine	1,362,359	6
Maryland	6,177,224	29
Massachusetts	7,029,917	33
Michigan	10,077,331	48
Minnesota	5,706,494	27
Mississippi	2,961,279	14
Missouri	6,154,913	29
Montana	1,084,225	5
Nebraska	1,961,504	9
Nevada	3,104,614	15
New Hampshire	1,377,529	6
New Jersey	9,288,994	44
New Mexico	2,117,522	10
New York	20,201,249	95
North Carolina	10,439,388	49
North Dakota	779,094	4
Ohio	11,799,448	56
Oklahoma	3,959,353	19
Oregon	4,237,256	20
Pennsylvania	13,002,700	61
Rhode Island	1,097,379	5
South Carolina	5,118,425	24
South Dakota	886,667	4
Tennessee	6,910,840	33
Texas	29,145,505	137
Utah	3,271,616	15
Vermont	643,077	3
Virginia	8,631,393	41
Washington	7,705,281	36
West Virginia	1,793,716	8
Wisconsin	5,893,718	28
Wyoming	576,851	3

The total here is actually 1,562, so, eeny-meeny-miney-moe a state for the extra guy.

Of course, this can never happen because Congress actually passed a law in 1929 fixing the number of critters to 435, regardless of population. The only way to change that is for ... you guessed it ... Congress to repeal the 1929 law. As if there were any way they would invite another 1,100 or so people to come in and split the spoils of government kleptocracy with them.

[HighOPS]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

I'm in favor of both: expand the House, and shitcan the Electoral College. It doesn't have to be either-or.

I think the House of Representatives should have 1,563 members right now. How did I come up with that number? The House was expanded to 435 after the 1910 census. There were roughly 92,200,000 people in the United states. That's one representative per 212,000 people. There are now roughly 331,450,000 people in the US as of 2020. At one congress critter per 212,000 folks, that comes to 1,563 critters in total.

So, this is how many members should be in the House for each state, based on that number:

State	Population	Reps
Alabama	5,024,279	24
Alaska	733,391	3
Arizona	7,151,502	34
Arkansas	3,011,524	14
California	39,538,223	186
Colorado	5,773,714	27
Connecticut	3,605,944	17
Delaware	989,948	5
D. of C.	689,545	3
Florida	21,538,187	102
Georgia	10,711,908	51
Hawaii	1,455,271	7
Idaho	1,839,106	9
Illinois	12,812,508	60
Indiana	6,785,528	32
Iowa	3,190,369	15
Kansas	2,937,880	14
Kentucky	4,505,836	21
Louisiana	4,657,757	22
Maine	1,362,359	6
Maryland	6,177,224	29
Massachusetts	7,029,917	33
Michigan	10,077,331	48
Minnesota	5,706,494	27
Mississippi	2,961,279	14
Missouri	6,154,913	29
Montana	1,084,225	5
Nebraska	1,961,504	9
Nevada	3,104,614	15
New Hampshire	1,377,529	6
New Jersey	9,288,994	44
New Mexico	2,117,522	10
New York	20,201,249	95
North Carolina	10,439,388	49
North Dakota	779,094	4
Ohio	11,799,448	56
Oklahoma	3,959,353	19
Oregon	4,237,256	20
Pennsylvania	13,002,700	61
Rhode Island	1,097,379	5
South Carolina	5,118,425	24
South Dakota	886,667	4
Tennessee	6,910,840	33
Texas	29,145,505	137
Utah	3,271,616	15
Vermont	643,077	3
Virginia	8,631,393	41
Washington	7,705,281	36
West Virginia	1,793,716	8
Wisconsin	5,893,718	28
Wyoming	576,851	3

The total here is actually 1,562, so, eeny-meeny-miney-moe a state for the extra guy.

Of course, this can never happen because Congress actually passed a law in 1929 fixing the number of critters to 435, regardless of population. The only way to change that is for ... you guessed it ... Congress to repeal the 1929 law. As if there were any way they would invite another 1,100 or so people to come in and split the spoils of government kleptocracy with them.

A larger house would also make it less important which apportionmwnt method they used to decide which state gets the last couple reps. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[Motown Bombers]

I went down a rabbit hole with some Green Party supporters in Pennsylvania and have come to the conclusion we are screwed. They literally do not care that Democracy is hanging in the balance in a state that has razor thin margins. They are convinced the world is going to end in 2025 unless Pennsylvania elects a Green Party governor. Apparently the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans and I'm just as terrible because I won't throw my vote away on a candidate who will only get 1% of the vote at best. 

[romad1]

45 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I went down a rabbit hole with some Green Party supporters in Pennsylvania and have come to the conclusion we are screwed. They literally do not care that Democracy is hanging in the balance in a state that has razor thin margins. They are convinced the world is going to end in 2025 unless Pennsylvania elects a Green Party governor. Apparently the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans and I'm just as terrible because I won't throw my vote away on a candidate who will only get 1% of the vote at best. 

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