smr-nj Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I would have expected him to offer an answer of “I will vote for the Republican candidate as long as it’s not Donald J Trump”. I’m just shocked that after all this man personally did to him and his family, he would consider letting him hold that high office. I don’t get it. I just don’t get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, smr-nj said: I would have expected him to offer an answer of “I will vote for the Republican candidate as long as it’s not Donald J Trump”. I’m just shocked that after all this man personally did to him and his family, he would consider letting him hold that high office. I don’t get it. I just don’t get it everybody has stuff they believe at what you might call the limbic level, completely pre-rational stuff that we bend all our other modes of thought around to accommodate. Hopefully the stuff you believe at that level doesn't make you a dangerous neighbor or citizen, but sometimes it does. OTOH, though, Bowers wasn't born yesterday, he's an experienced pol despite the kind of babe in the woods image he projected at the hearing. Just because he says that doesn't mean it's true. He has his own political agenda in his state to manage. And he may believe praising Caesar while wielding the dagger only makes the blow more effective. Edited June 22, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiger337 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, smr-nj said: I’m somewhat shocked to have read in an article this morning (can’t find it now, but will continue looking), that Mr. Bowers opinion,….. even after that gut-wrenching testimony yesterday, …. is that if Trump were to run again in 2024, he would, in fact, vote for him over Biden. How do you even process that? Because Biden is a baby killing communist who wants to make your children gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: They need to get Pence in there in primetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, ewsieg said: They need to get Pence in there in primetime. That will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, smr-nj said: That will never happen Agreed, but i'd make that push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, ewsieg said: They need to get Pence in there in primetime. I concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, ewsieg said: Agreed, but i'd make that push. 20 minutes ago, romad1 said: I concur Unless they (the committee) has some hidden Pence concubines to threaten him & mother with, can’t see him sitting in that chair, prime-time or otherwise, no matter how much we all would love to see it. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Unless they (the committee) has some hidden Pence concubines to threaten him & mother with, can’t see him sitting in that chair, prime-time or otherwise, no matter how much we all would love to see it. 😂 Dan Quayle of all people could get him to show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, romad1 said: Dan Quayle of all people could get him to show up. I’d happily eat crow if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CMRivdogs Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, romad1 said: But if he gets the nomination they'll vote for him over who ever the Democrats might run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, romad1 said: Not sure how many times Trump ever pulled a majority vote in a 2016 primary. As long as there are enough candidates to divide up the non-crazy vote, Trump can triumph by winning all the crazies. OTOH, a two candidate mano-a-mano between Trump and DeSantis might be entertaining if nothing else. No-one in the 2016 field was nearly the bully bastard that DeSantis is to go against the bully bastard Trump. It would no doubt set new lows in US political discourse. The MAGA will love it. Edited June 22, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Like most oil patch people, Wirth is FOS. The oil companies don't care how people talk about them. The problem is that while people are bitching and moaning about prices, they haven't cut back their driving - consumption is still very high. If people would cut back, prices would fall because only then will refiners have to compete to sell the last barrel they can refine. We're just coming out of two-plus years of socially-imposed isolation and were basically discouraged from traveling. The last few months is the first time in two years people feel free to move about and enjoy traveling and vacationing without COVID restrictions. People have been denying themselves since the winter of 2020. No way are people going to deny themselves the opportunity to hit the open road for the first summer in three years so they can feel free once more. This is one part of the perfect storm that has led to $6 gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Gas is going down slowly by me. Saw it dip under $5 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, chasfh said: We're just coming out of two-plus years of socially-imposed isolation and were basically discouraged from traveling. The last few months is the first time in two years people feel free to move about and enjoy traveling and vacationing without COVID restrictions. People have been denying themselves since the winter of 2020. No way are people going to deny themselves the opportunity to hit the open road for the first summer in three years so they can feel free once more. This is one part of the perfect storm that has led to $6 gas. no doubt about it, but I think it goes to what I see as a growing phenomenon of complaint levels increasing out of proportion to actual pain levels. Maybe it's social media conditioning everyone to bitch in superlatives. But you see things like survey data stating consumer confidence is lower than it has been forever. Sounds like BS to me. Not that the survey isn't the same survey, but today everyone is a drama queen.....🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 7 hours ago, smr-nj said: I’m somewhat shocked to have read in an article this morning (can’t find it now, but will continue looking), that Mr. Bowers opinion,….. even after that gut-wrenching testimony yesterday, …. is that if Trump were to run again in 2024, he would, in fact, vote for him over Biden. How do you even process that? It was an AP article…. 7 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said: The rot in the Republican Party runs deep. The fact that Bowers would STILL vote for him again after that testimony, shows he’s no hero. He’s just as much a coward as the rest of the party. Not a big surprise there. This is an article from “The Atlantic” by David A. Graham: Title: “The Comment That Reveals the Depths of the Republican Party’s Moral Collapse” - If even Rusty Bowers is willing to back Trump again, the outlook for popular democracy is very bleak. Finding signs to worry about the future of American democracy is not hard, but few are quite so painful and acute as the cognitive dissonance displayed by Rusty Bowers this week. (Sorry, can’t post a link, but you can look it up - short article.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, smr-nj said: - If even Rusty Bowers is willing to back Trump again, the outlook for popular democracy is very bleak. I know you guys will scream that i'm 'both sides'ing', but while Rusty Bowers is an example of a legitimate issue, and while agreed it's a bigger issue with the GOP today, this forum is a pretty good example that the other side has some similar tendencies. I have acknowledged I voted for Biden and Whitmer, I have consistently said that at this point they have my vote again. But, I have criticized them, thus I love Trump and i'm everything you hate. And again, i'm not saying the majority of you are whacked out like a solid contingent of the GOP right now. I openly admit it's not an apples to apples comparison. Related, but unrelated... I love true crime and i've been following the WM3 case. Tomorrow there is a hearing about using current DNA technology to test evidence. In following details on twitter I came across a women that has spent the last week or two telling her followers that the 3 folks that were originally found guilty were definitely guilty. For those that don't know about this case, note that they are out of prison now due to an agreement with the state AND they are the ones pushing for more DNA tests. It's the state, that allowed them take an Alford plea to get out of jail, that is fighting them. Imagine being guilty of a murder, getting lucky enough to find a way out of prison, and fighting to test evidence which if you did it, could solidify the case against you for everyone that has fought for you over the years. But anyway, this women has been steadfast in this position. I look back at her tweets and prior to a few weeks ago, I never saw anything WM3 related. But what did I see, Johnny Depp. She is absolutely convinced Johnny Depp beat the crap out of Amber Heard 24/7. Months worth of anti Depp tweets. And one significant one to me where she learned at some point that Johnny Depp supported the WM3 in their attempt for a retrial. Thus, if Johnny Depp supports the WM3, since he's a horrible person, obviously that means the WM3 are guilty. Wow, took me way to long to get to this point and i'm not sure how to conclude this. Probably would be best not to post after getting home from the local summer festivals beer tent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 The DNA is going to be Byers stepdad who died a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, chasfh said: We're just coming out of two-plus years of socially-imposed isolation and were basically discouraged from traveling. The last few months is the first time in two years people feel free to move about and enjoy traveling and vacationing without COVID restrictions. People have been denying themselves since the winter of 2020. No way are people going to deny themselves the opportunity to hit the open road for the first summer in three years so they can feel free once more. This is one part of the perfect storm that has led to $6 gas. I think it's an important part of it. I think inflation is high largely because demand is high and supply has some problems. So many people think that presidents control the economy. They don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Thus, if Johnny Depp supports the WM3, since he's a horrible person, obviously that means the WM3 are guilty. Wow, took me way to long to get to this point and i'm not sure how to conclude this So I listen to a few of Ezra Klein's NYT podcasts. He had on a doc to discuss long COVID. A relatively young woman and acknowledged specialist. So Ezra was trying to pull out some clarity around all the conflicting reports around long covid prevalence. At one point he challenged some of the estimates that long covid was in the 20-40% range of cases by noting that he already personally knew dozens of people who had by now had covid and no-one had seen any long covid. So she immediately launched into the typical liberal cant about Erza being upper class and systemic racism and classism and medical care access and sexism etc etc so of course it was there and he didn't see it. OK fine. But then not even 5 minutes later, she's going on about how the ER she works in sees people from every strata, race, and economic quartile and she's arguing strongly that long covid respects no class or race or socio-economic boundaries and that there is no data that supports that it does. Hmmmm wait...wut? So it was weird. This scientific person falling into a more or less rote political screed response to a 'trigger' question, when on her own subsequent testimony she argues it had zero validity. But it is exactly what you are talking about. She had a set of beliefs she wanted to defend and promulgate, and projected them into a situation where her own research and experience denied the truth of the specific application, but she seemed blissfully unaware of what she had done, and since she had in the end validated Erza point he didn't press her on her self-contradiction. (And the ethos of his podcasts are not adversarial anyway, though I'm certain he must have picked up what happened as well as I was able to!) So obviously, this is not to deny there are huge institutional racism and socio-economic effects on public health in general in the US. That is not my point at all. But she so believed in that (again -which is fine in general) that she immediately extrapolated it to where she actually knew at a different intellectual level that it didn't apply. That is what I would call a perfect example of emotional 'reasoning'. The human mind is an odd thing. Edited June 23, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smr-nj Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Cognitive Dissonance will make your eyes explode. Just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 hours ago, ewsieg said: Related, but unrelated... I love true crime and i've been following the WM3 case. Tomorrow there is a hearing about using current DNA technology to test evidence. In following details on twitter I came across a women that has spent the last week or two telling her followers that the 3 folks that were originally found guilty were definitely guilty. For those that don't know about this case, note that they are out of prison now due to an agreement with the state AND they are the ones pushing for more DNA tests. It's the state, that allowed them take an Alford plea to get out of jail, that is fighting them. Imagine being guilty of a murder, getting lucky enough to find a way out of prison, and fighting to test evidence which if you did it, could solidify the case against you for everyone that has fought for you over the years. But anyway, this women has been steadfast in this position. I look back at her tweets and prior to a few weeks ago, I never saw anything WM3 related. But what did I see, Johnny Depp. She is absolutely convinced Johnny Depp beat the crap out of Amber Heard 24/7. Months worth of anti Depp tweets. And one significant one to me where she learned at some point that Johnny Depp supported the WM3 in their attempt for a retrial. Thus, if Johnny Depp supports the WM3, since he's a horrible person, obviously that means the WM3 are guilty. Wow, took me way to long to get to this point and i'm not sure how to conclude this. Probably would be best not to post after getting home from the local summer festivals beer tent. Honestly, I really didn't follow the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard case and, to the extent that I do know about it, fail to understand why it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Hongbit said: The DNA is going to be Byers stepdad who died a few years ago. I'm leaning towards Terry Hobbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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