chasfh Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, chasfh said: Lol, that explains a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, chasfh said: Given that fascism isn't the sort of thing that merely peters out from ennui, I guess there will be nothing to avoid the worst of outcomes and turn things around except a TBD number of people being killed and the ensuing reckoning after the worst of everything happens. That's all probably going to take years and years to live through. I believe some uprising of some degree of seriousness is going to happen whether or not Justice indicts—either this year because of Trump World indictments, or early next year because of this election, or in two to three years because of that election—but I also believe it will go down worse if Justice does nothing, because that means the system would be openly giving up. At least if Justice indicts, there is a chance to still show the system is strong and willing to fight the fascists, which may dissuade those only marginally interested in rising up, which may make it easier to fight and put the whole thing down. That won't be easy, either, not by any stretch, and perhaps even people some of us personally know may die as a result. But at least we'd still have a chance. Here it is, in black and white and read all over. There's no other way. Note the careful phrase they applied to Trump. He's not the mastermind behind the steal. He didn't design the strategy to pursue it. But he is, without no doubt, the driving force behind it, and that matters at least as much. Edited July 15, 2022 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 I'm not surprised by this. At their core, the Secret Service are police, Trump wants a police state, and in a police state, the police are royalty who can do anything they want anytime they want to anyone they want. Why wouldn't they support that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, chasfh said: I'm not surprised by this. At their core, the Secret Service are police, Trump wants a police state, and in a police state, the police are royalty who can do anything they want anytime they want to anyone they want. Why wouldn't they support that? Fire them. Clean out their ranks. Anyone who ended up on Trump's detail was a loyal foot soldier of the Police State. They are Co-Conspirators to Trump's Coup Attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 12 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: Fire them. Clean out their ranks. Anyone who ended up on Trump's detail was a loyal foot soldier of the Police State. They are Co-Conspirators to Trump's Coup Attempt. Co-conspirators who have jobs promised to them in casinos owned by Trump allies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 This piece of information seems to have been misplaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 Not for nothing, appointed by Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: Not for nothing, appointed by Trump. Quote Murray’s decision to allow Ornato to serve as a political adviser to the president “crossed a major line” for the Secret Service since agents are “sworn to be above politics,” Carol Leonnig, a Washington Post reporter and author of “Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service,” wrote on Twitter. The book also describes Murray and Ornato as good friends. Yeah, this hack needs to go work at whatever casino in Cyprus or Dubai or wherever the Russian mob wants him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Wonder what ever happened about Ornato ready to testify about what Cassidy Hutchinson said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, romad1 said: Yeah, this hack needs to go work at whatever casino in Cyprus or Dubai or wherever the Russian mob wants him His retirement package will include lifetime greens fees at any Trump golf course and having a salad named after him at restaurant in Mar-a-Lago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mtutiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Imagine? lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, mtutiger said: Imagine? lol She was once presented as a bright young star. She's a pretty dim bulb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 41 minutes ago, romad1 said: She was once presented as a bright young star. She's a pretty dim bulb. She's downright Orwellian. What a ghoul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, romad1 said: She was once presented as a bright young star. She's a pretty dim bulb. She’s playing to the Fox News base. She needs to sound stupid and rattle off baseless claims if she wants to get through to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 She's not dumb. She did a direct pivot, the opposite of Cheney, because she knew that's the way to get to the top in today's GOP. It's all calculated. She's role playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: i am very excited to see this news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, oblong said: She's not dumb. She did a direct pivot, the opposite of Cheney, because she knew that's the way to get to the top in today's GOP. It's all calculated. She's role playing. Totally. Was listening to one of the political reporters talk about her actual brains as not very impressive. Liz is playing the long game: the one where there still is a country after she loses her seat to Johnny Mccollusion or Lisa Putinwuzriite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 hours ago, romad1 said: She was once presented as a bright young star. She's a pretty dim bulb. From what i've read/listened on her, she falls into the DeSantis category. Not dumb at all, but blatantly chose party over country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Count me as one who doesn't think her goal is to get on TV and tell the truth. If y'alls haven't read it, I recommend Dan Pfeiffer's new book, Battling the Big Lie. It makes perfect sense of shit like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Sitting here remembering the slogan in the 70s and early '80s from the Powerful Voice of Virginia "Where the South Begins" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 GOP wokeness is way worse than actual wokeness.... of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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