gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: Same. The culture war stuff is pointless, the last two pages of this thread prove it. But choosing to fight it and argue it over and over again is a choice. Really, it has no bearing on any of our lives. Yes this. Like I said I don't care, but I find the it irritating when people try to backfill their way out what they clearly did - even whether they meant or not. And don't call the viewers the unsophisticated ones here. If they didn't mean what people took it for, it would be that those who created it were ignorant of the existing western art canon they were evoking. Edited July 28 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 I guess Monty Python's Life of Brian is now banned by the Righteous Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I guess Monty Python's Life of Brian is now banned by the Righteous Right They would no doubt prefer to. But Cleese and the crew have always been completely up front about what they were doing. Cleese even debated the Archbishop of Canterbury on a talk show after the movie came out. Edited July 28 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I guess Monty Python's Life of Brian is now banned by the Righteous Right It kind of always was. That movie had a troubled reception in the Bible Belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I guess Monty Python's Life of Brian is now banned by the Righteous Right It’s the People’s Front of Judea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 6 minutes ago, Hongbit said: It’s the People’s Front of Judea. No, not those wankers. The judean people’s front. life of Brian made fun of radicals. But the religious critics are too stupid to realize it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I would say it's the last supper because it's a table, it's 12 around a central character, and the geometry directly evokes several well known "last suppers" such as DaVinci and Dali. And that is what I got from it on first impression 100% before I even read the post. Baccanalia were outdoor affairs as much as indoor. You might depict your participants actually eating or drinking, a satyr or faun or two is a nice add and those folks all have too many clothes on...... there’s 17 people in the Paris photo. And no food. Isn’t food a requirement for a supper? It’s just 17 people facing the viewer at a table? Did Da Vinci corner the market on all subjects facing the viewer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 17 minutes ago, oblong said: there’s 17 people in the Paris photo. And no food. Isn’t food a requirement for a supper? It’s just 17 people facing the viewer at a table? Did Da Vinci corner the market on all subjects facing the viewer? The blue guy bro he was the sandwich! You living under a rock or just trolling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 hours ago, smr-nj said: Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. I would defend him to my last breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 47 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The blue guy bro he was the sandwich! You living under a rock or just trolling? So was Jesus a sandwich? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 6 hours ago, oblong said: Victimhood is so attractive to modern Christians. They can’t get enough of it. I take their fake outrage as just an extension of their bigotry towards the people in the portrayal. Christians have a persecution complex because Christianity itself is predicated on a very basic persecution origin story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 1 hour ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The blue guy bro he was the sandwich! You living under a rock or just trolling? OK - That's Bacchus - but that's a different shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 5 hours ago, oblong said: This sums up the problems with the right wing take on culture. You either have to love it or hate it, rather than just accept some differences and move on and ignore it if it’s not your cup of tea. Nobody forced or expects Christians to have to “like” it. The world doesnt revolve around them. Christianity was not attacked by that. Only snowflakes are offended by it or people that just want to bitch about stuff because they lead miserable lives and want everyone else miserable too. But it makes a great fundraising opportunity for the professional grifters so expect some Huckabee commercials coming soon on Fox News. I’m pretty sure that Christians believe that both the world and the afterworld revolve around them. They have an entire master plan for both that’s in wide distribution. You probably have it lying somewhere around the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 15 minutes ago, chasfh said: Christians have a persecution complex because Christianity itself is predicated on a very basic persecution origin story. That doesn't really hold. The religious story has been the same since the nation's founding along but the persecution complex on the part of the political right wing of US Christianity at the outside might be dated to losing Roe v Wade but really didn't start getting traction until the Bush years. So it doesn't follow from first principles - it derives from the GOP's invention of the culture war and the realization on the part of the conservative movement that selling persecution is their most effective fund raising strategy (for both the pulpit and the political side) to people who would be otherwise uninterested in politics. Or, long story short, it's the product of concerted political marketing. The other aspect historically, is that while Rome persecuted the early Christians, it was the Christians that ultimately emerged in control of the empire, so there is an equally strong streak of triumphalism to balance any sense of persecution. Edited July 28 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 3 hours ago, oblong said: By the way I saw this explanation that it wasn’t even meant to be “about” the last supper. I don’t care enough about it to research but as it is with most art people see what they want because they want to convey a certain reaction. “If some of you weren’t so busy trying to end the Department of Education, you might know this!” 💀💀💀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 3 hours ago, smr-nj said: He might be in Mexico at the moment. (I’m sorry…. I just couldn’t let that sit there.)😁 I have it on good authority that Jesus just left Chicago, and he’s bound for New Orleeeeeans … 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 44 minutes ago, oblong said: So was Jesus a sandwich? Nope, he was being mocked by the person in the middle. Blue guy was the last supper guy. Edited July 28 by Tigeraholic1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 16 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: That doesn't really hold. The religious story has been the same since the nation's founding along but the persecution complex on the part of the political right wing of US Christianity at the outside might be dated to losing Roe v Wade but really didn't start getting traction until the Bush years. So it doesn't follow from first principles - it derives from the GOP's invention of the culture war and the realization on the part of the conservative movement that selling persecution is their most effective fund raising strategy (for both the pulpit and the political side) to people who would be otherwise uninterested in politics. Or, long story short, it's the product of concerted political marketing. The other aspect historically, is that while Rome persecuted the early Christians, it was the Christians that ultimately emerged in control of the empire, so there is an equally strong streak of triumphalism to balance any sense of persecution. G with the body blow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 hours ago, oblong said: there’s 17 people in the Paris photo. And no food. Isn’t food a requirement for a supper? It’s just 17 people facing the viewer at a table? Did Da Vinci corner the market on all subjects facing the viewer? Deflection after deflection…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 The best part was when parents got to explain to their kids why dudes nards were hanging out. Wholesome family entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 Hey, man, it’s France. When in Rome and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 23 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: G with the body blow! Easy there, it's just conversation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tigeraholic1 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 We were told just this week that Hamas is coming. Shrug it off right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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