Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[RatkoVarda]

it's like giving a baby a hand grenade again;  he didn't pull the pin the last time and blow everything up, so maybe he won't this time either

 

Edited November 8, 2024 by RatkoVarda

[romad1]

  On 11/8/2024 at 3:45 PM, RatkoVarda said:

it's like giving a baby a hand grenade again;  he didn't pull the pin the last time and blow everything up, so maybe he won't this time either

 

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He had black masked goons thump BLM protesters on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.  Lincoln would have spun in his grave. 

[mtutiger]

  On 11/8/2024 at 3:44 PM, Tiger337 said:

Yes, people will start hating Trump again for various reasons, but fewer and fewer people will believe or care that he is a lawless person who attemped a coup and admires dictators. Eventually, people who think those things will be considered leftist freaks who just can't let go.  

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Agreed, that's why I commented that my post above shouldn't be perceived as "optimistic." Particularly the longer term implications.

My only point is that in the short term, he's not immune to the forces that afflict elected Presidents.... and his first term is Exhibit A

[LaceyLou]

TBH I have no idea how much of his agenda (including project 2025) T and company will be able to get through.

I do think that the likely successes will be tax cuts for the wealthy, elimination of many environmental protections, and, whatever RFK Jr may claim, elimination of many food safety regulations. 

Whether or not Mush (spelling intentional) gets his way about trillions in cuts, the choice will be to either let the deficit grow, or to cut funding for research, transportation projects (especially public), education... you name it. And I'm guessing a lot more people's jobs depend on federal funding a lot more than most of us realize.

[LaceyLou]

  On 11/8/2024 at 3:44 PM, Tiger337 said:

Yes, people will start hating Trump again for various reasons, but fewer and fewer people will believe or care that he is a lawless person who attemped a coup and admires dictators. Eventually, people who think those things will be considered leftist freaks who just can't let go.  

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The feeling of 'leftists' not being able to let go has already taken hold, in fact it started the minute certain leaders decided not to go ahead and convict T of anything.

[oblong]

it's been a few days and I've avoided all things about the election as best I could.  I would scan this thread but am not invested in it anymore.  I just don't care.  
I had my most productive day at work on Wednesday.  I wasn't checking twitter or here to see the latest and greatest.

I feel better about this that it was a blowout rather than a squeaker.  I'm not saying I'm happy about it but it helps me accept it.  I share both opinions I read about from Lee and MTU.  He never should have been nominated again.  That's on the voters.  He never should have been elected again.  That's on the voters.  Our voters run the country.  This is the country we have.  He'll win the popular vote,  I assume, I haven't been looking.  So...... this is who our fellow citizens wanted based on these two choices.

My hope now is that all the scary talk is just bluster and hyperbole and the political forces of our legislature will do it's work and big business will pull their strings beacuse they need employees and customers.  The House has to get elected again in 2 years.   I'm not going to listen to his stuff every day and worry about what he says or does.  I am going to be one of those people who has no idea what's going on anymore and every election I'm voting for the democrat,.

The whole Trump show is a TV show.  This is the revival.  The revival is never as good or interesting as the original.  People may have voted for him but they won't be watching or whatever.... and that will bother him.  It will be boring.

The one thing that really bothers me though are the judges and the SC.  Alito and Thomas can now retire in the next 2 years and we'll get their replacements for a  lifetime.  It's probably too much to ask for someone to pull a Ginsberg... is that too harsh?  No.

 

[CMRivdogs]

  On 11/8/2024 at 5:05 PM, oblong said:

it's been a few days and I've avoided all things about the election as best I could.  I would scan this thread but am not invested in it anymore.  I just don't care.  
I had my most productive day at work on Wednesday.  I wasn't checking twitter or here to see the latest and greatest.

I feel better about this that it was a blowout rather than a squeaker.  I'm not saying I'm happy about it but it helps me accept it.  I share both opinions I read about from Lee and MTU.  He never should have been nominated again.  That's on the voters.  He never should have been elected again.  That's on the voters.  Our voters run the country.  This is the country we have.  He'll win the popular vote,  I assume, I haven't been looking.  So...... this is who our fellow citizens wanted based on these two choices.

My hope now is that all the scary talk is just bluster and hyperbole and the political forces of our legislature will do it's work and big business will pull their strings beacuse they need employees and customers.  I'm not going to listen to his stuff every day and worry about what he says or does.  I am going to be one of those people who has no idea what's going on anymore and every election I'm voting for the democrat,.

The whole Trump show is a TV show.  This is the revival.  The revival is never as good or interesting as the original.  People may have voted for him but they won't be watching or whatever.... and that will bother him.  It will be boring.

 

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I've been spending the past couple days catering to my spouse who had a bionic knee put in Wednesday. The Sun came up both days. I still have concerns about the future of health care under the new regime as well as inflation if DJT gets his way with tariffs. At least the neighbor Trumpers have taken down their HOA forbidden flag (again) and if I'm out walking the dog ( or run into them at the dog park)  I'll still refuse to engage for a while. They seem nice, but the grudge lingers.

Meanwhile looking forward to statewide elections next year and the election of future Governor Spanberger. 

[LaceyLou]

  On 11/8/2024 at 5:05 PM, oblong said:

it's been a few days and I've avoided all things about the election as best I could.  I would scan this thread but am not invested in it anymore.  I just don't care.  
I had my most productive day at work on Wednesday.  I wasn't checking twitter or here to see the latest and greatest.

I feel better about this that it was a blowout rather than a squeaker.  I'm not saying I'm happy about it but it helps me accept it.  I share both opinions I read about from Lee and MTU.  He never should have been nominated again.  That's on the voters.  He never should have been elected again.  That's on the voters.  Our voters run the country.  This is the country we have.  He'll win the popular vote,  I assume, I haven't been looking.  So...... this is who our fellow citizens wanted based on these two choices.

My hope now is that all the scary talk is just bluster and hyperbole and the political forces of our legislature will do it's work and big business will pull their strings beacuse they need employees and customers.  The House has to get elected again in 2 years.   I'm not going to listen to his stuff every day and worry about what he says or does.  I am going to be one of those people who has no idea what's going on anymore and every election I'm voting for the democrat,.

The whole Trump show is a TV show.  This is the revival.  The revival is never as good or interesting as the original.  People may have voted for him but they won't be watching or whatever.... and that will bother him.  It will be boring.

The one thing that really bothers me though are the judges and the SC.  Alito and Thomas can now retire in the next 2 years and we'll get their replacements for a  lifetime.  It's probably too much to ask for someone to pull a Ginsberg... is that too harsh?  No.

 

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I am with you on this. And... I haven't had the heart to go to twitter lately so next time I do I'll just leave. It's a shame because I found so many people with common interests there but everything changes so there's that. 

I was already active in local groups, so I'll be involved in that more. As horrible as it sounds if a plan for the NE to form its own country came up.... I'd think about it. It's time to be with the people in my community and see what I can do. 

I'm glad I go back to work Monday, even though my foot is probably not healed enough. At least I won't have any time to be online.

Onward!

[Mr.TaterSalad]

RFK Jr is responsible for the deaths 83 children and people in American Samoa thanks to his vaccine lies and misinformation. This guy has said the childhood vaccination schedule should be outright pulled or changed dramatically. Great ****ing job America. Make Measles Great Again!

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/note-robert-f-kennedy-jr

[mtutiger]

  On 11/8/2024 at 5:05 PM, oblong said:

it's been a few days and I've avoided all things about the election as best I could.  I would scan this thread but am not invested in it anymore.  I just don't care.  
I had my most productive day at work on Wednesday.  I wasn't checking twitter or here to see the latest and greatest.

I feel better about this that it was a blowout rather than a squeaker.  I'm not saying I'm happy about it but it helps me accept it.  I share both opinions I read about from Lee and MTU.  He never should have been nominated again.  That's on the voters.  He never should have been elected again.  That's on the voters.  Our voters run the country.  This is the country we have.  He'll win the popular vote,  I assume, I haven't been looking.  So...... this is who our fellow citizens wanted based on these two choices.

My hope now is that all the scary talk is just bluster and hyperbole and the political forces of our legislature will do it's work and big business will pull their strings beacuse they need employees and customers.  The House has to get elected again in 2 years.   I'm not going to listen to his stuff every day and worry about what he says or does.  I am going to be one of those people who has no idea what's going on anymore and every election I'm voting for the democrat,.

The whole Trump show is a TV show.  This is the revival.  The revival is never as good or interesting as the original.  People may have voted for him but they won't be watching or whatever.... and that will bother him.  It will be boring.

The one thing that really bothers me though are the judges and the SC.  Alito and Thomas can now retire in the next 2 years and we'll get their replacements for a  lifetime.  It's probably too much to ask for someone to pull a Ginsberg... is that too harsh?  No.

 

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I think there's interesting stuff to unpack and learn about what happened here, but the real substance is going to take time. At this stage, the stuff we get is a mix of emotional catastrophizing from the losing side, gloating from the winning side (or those who are more sympathetic to winning side anyway) and members of the mainsteam media, pundits and strategists coming up with many reasons why the result was what it was (which in a lot of cases center around whatever pet issue interests the media member/pundit/strategist making the argument is most interested in).

So I don't blame you for checking out.... I guess I'm too much of a sicko to completely let go and check out, but there's really nothing to be learned or gained from this immediate period of time in terms of engagement.

Edited November 8, 2024 by mtutiger

[chasfh]

  On 11/8/2024 at 3:44 PM, Tiger337 said:

Yes, people will start hating Trump again for various reasons, but fewer and fewer people will believe or care that he is a lawless person who attemped a coup and admires dictators. Eventually, people who think those things will be considered leftist freaks who just can't let go.  

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You realize, of course, that there's always a point at which tyrants move from merely admiring dictators to actually emulating dictators. No one with designs on ultimate power ever sets a limit on it—as in only just so much, and that's it. The temptation to become a god on earth is just too great to avoid.

[chasfh]

  On 11/8/2024 at 5:05 PM, oblong said:

it's been a few days and I've avoided all things about the election as best I could.  I would scan this thread but am not invested in it anymore.  I just don't care.  
I had my most productive day at work on Wednesday.  I wasn't checking twitter or here to see the latest and greatest.

I feel better about this that it was a blowout rather than a squeaker.  I'm not saying I'm happy about it but it helps me accept it.  I share both opinions I read about from Lee and MTU.  He never should have been nominated again.  That's on the voters.  He never should have been elected again.  That's on the voters.  Our voters run the country.  This is the country we have.  He'll win the popular vote,  I assume, I haven't been looking.  So...... this is who our fellow citizens wanted based on these two choices.

My hope now is that all the scary talk is just bluster and hyperbole and the political forces of our legislature will do it's work and big business will pull their strings beacuse they need employees and customers.  The House has to get elected again in 2 years.   I'm not going to listen to his stuff every day and worry about what he says or does.  I am going to be one of those people who has no idea what's going on anymore and every election I'm voting for the democrat,.

The whole Trump show is a TV show.  This is the revival.  The revival is never as good or interesting as the original.  People may have voted for him but they won't be watching or whatever.... and that will bother him.  It will be boring.

The one thing that really bothers me though are the judges and the SC.  Alito and Thomas can now retire in the next 2 years and we'll get their replacements for a  lifetime.  It's probably too much to ask for someone to pull a Ginsberg... is that too harsh?  No.

 

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Sotomayor has health issues. She should volunteer her seat.

[Edman85]

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:49 PM, chasfh said:

Sotomayor has health issues. She should volunteer her seat.

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Risky with narrow margins in the Senate and Manchin obstructing in the judiciary committee.

[chasfh]

  On 11/10/2024 at 12:25 PM, Edman85 said:

Risky with narrow margins in the Senate and Manchin obstructing in the judiciary committee.

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It’ll be very sad when she dies in the next two years, and the court ends up with a 7-2 majority, including new justices in their 30s replacing Alito and Thomas.

I find it interesting that all the suggestions about Sotomayor retiring are coming from right wing media, with the obvious intent of riling up their readers with thoughts of Democratic duplicity and underhandedness. 

[1776]

  On 11/10/2024 at 2:10 PM, chasfh said:

It’ll be very sad when she dies in the next two years, and the court ends up with a 7-2 majority, including new justices in their 30s replacing Alito and Thomas.

I find it interesting that all the suggestions about Sotomayor retiring are coming from right wing media, with the obvious intent of riling up their readers with thoughts of Democratic duplicity and underhandedness. 

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Not all have come from the right wing media. Some time back, during the Biden term, there was some conversation on the left advocating for one of the liberal justices stepping down (I’m now assuming that may have been Sotomayer) while the executive and senate were still in the Democrats hands, for obvious reasons. That has been a while back so I can’t vouch for specifically when that was. 

[1776]

Blumenthal calling on Sotomayer to step down.

https://theconversation.com/justice-sotomayors-health-isnt-the-real-problem-for-democrats-winning-elections-is-229327

[chasfh]

  On 11/10/2024 at 2:45 PM, 1776 said:

Not all have come from the right wing media. Some time back, during the Biden term, there was some conversation on the left advocating for one of the liberal justices stepping down (I’m now assuming that may have been Sotomayer) while the executive and senate were still in the Democrats hands, for obvious reasons. That has been a while back so I can’t vouch for specifically when that was. 

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That may have been some time ago and a general feeling, but the past couple days it’s been the RWM like Fox and Newsweek and the Post sounding the alarm bells about Democrat chicanery—as if they don’t have a right to thwart the American people or something Ike that.. 

[CMRivdogs]

 

[chasfh]

  On 11/22/2024 at 4:40 PM, CMRivdogs said:

 

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Watching this, I feel as though they agreed on a teed-up question here. The question is, essentially, "Even though there are no reported cases of trans violence in bathrooms, please remind us why they are still a threat."

Newsmax has not been lost, Aaron. If anything, they're elbowing Fox to try to get to the head of the line.

[CMRivdogs]

This is an extremely long thread, just posting the link. It gives the timeline from 1/6/21 to the Supreme Court's decision on Trump's attempt to overthrow the government. Well worth reading

https://bsky.app/profile/muellershewrote.bsky.social/post/3lbutkhi4hk2a

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There is a lot more to digest. You might need some wine

[romad1]

This video is extraordinary.  this is a feel good story

 

[ben9753]

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Edited November 28, 2024 by ben9753

[romad1]

  On 11/28/2024 at 8:24 PM, romad1 said:

This video is extraordinary.  this is a feel good story

 

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Yeah, this was the short version.  The longer version is better. 

This country definitely has a mental health problem and I am excited and delighted that the largest PD in Michigan is organizing this unit.    I spent more time than I liked dealing with individuals who were dissonant in a previous gig.  The lack of organized care for people at all ends of the economic spectrum is just boggling given its incredible impact, including on things like January 6th.

[romad1]

I would guess that the Hegseth and Patel nominations are in trouble with the Senate.  I feel like Trump had to try to ram those through to keep the Proud Boys, certain internet figures, Bannon, etc. on his side.  

Edited December 2, 2024 by romad1

[romad1]

Hegseth nom will have to overcome "quality control"

https://bsky.app/profile/mcbridetd.bsky.social/post/3lccx3napya2o