Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[gehringer_2]

54 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

What if you have educated parents who live in a town with a terrible school system?  Chances are they might send their kid to a private school, but what if they didn't want to spend the money and home schooled ther childen?  

I will grant anyone's special cases all day long, but anecdotes and corner cases usually don't help make good social policy arguments - in a world of 7 billion people there are *always* cases where the best overall solution is the wrong answer in the particular case. Which is why real world policy implementations always need escape valves, which is a whole set of problems of its own.

[The Ronz]

3 hours ago, romad1 said:

Was just going off the last name.   All 80s movies had the random Japanese kid in the mix who either had super technical capabilities and was super horny for american girls.  A Korean kid would have been too precise for the limited geographic skills of the time. 

 

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I will grant anyone's special cases all day long, but anecdotes and corner cases usually don't help make good social policy arguments - in a world of 7 billion people there are *always* cases where the best overall solution is the wrong answer in the particular case. Which is why real world policy implementations always need escape valves, which is a whole set of problems of its own.

What policy are we talking about?  

[ewsieg]

On 12/14/2024 at 1:35 PM, Tiger337 said:

Big Pharma gave us the opioid crisis and ridiculous prices for precriptions that people need to survive.  **** them! 

I understand the point you are trying to make but you are way over generalizing based on a small percentage of hippies you may know.    

 

11 hours ago, chasfh said:

Again, not typical liberals. Garden-variety liberals don’t believe in anti-vax doctrine, and if you continue to insist they do, then you are being aggressively ignorant about the nature of American liberals, and not a little intellectually dishonest.

As long as we’re going here, if you are a Nazi in America, 9/10 you are voting red.

Gentlemen, relax.  I am not saying liberals were anti-vax before Covid, i'm saying that if you were anti-vax before Covid, 9/10 times you were voting blue.  Back then not a ton of people were anti-vax so in no way am I comparing it to what we're seeing today.  

The Nazi population today is probably about as big as the anti-vax population 10 years ago.  Unfortunately the anti-vax population has grown dramatically and while I think we'd disagree about the growth of the Nazi population, it's disgusting that however few of them there are, they have a platform because of Trump.  

 

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, romad1 said:

Was just going off the last name.   All 80s movies had the random Japanese kid in the mix who either had super technical capabilities and was super horny for american girls.  A Korean kid would have been too precise for the limited geographic skills of the time. 

Long Duck Park?

[chasfh]

20 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

What if you have educated parents who live in a town with a terrible school system?  Chances are they might send their kid to a private school, but what if they didn't want to spend the money and home schooled ther childen?  

That's another thing, too. It's not all one thing or the other. But I wouldn't support permitting this to excuse allowing Nazi parents to privately train their kids to wreak violence on the world as a legitimate lifestyle choice.

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by chasfh

[chasfh]

14 hours ago, ewsieg said:

 

Gentlemen, relax.  I am not saying liberals were anti-vax before Covid, i'm saying that if you were anti-vax before Covid, 9/10 times you were voting blue.

 

The clear implication of your first post, especially, was that anti-vax is the default position for liberals. I am simply here to tell you that is false.

[oblong]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Long Duck Park?

Long Duk Dong.  Donger needs food.

I know this because as a freshman on varsity baseball I of course was picked on and razzed so my nickname obviously was "Donger". 

Not sure on his nationality but when he was found on the lawn after his night out, Grandpa Fred said to Grandpa Howard "Howard, there's your chinaman"

 

[chasfh]

I guess I meant "Long Duk Park".

[Tiger337]

27 minutes ago, chasfh said:

That's another thing, too. It's not all one thing or the other. But I wouldn't support permitting this to excuse allowing Nazi parents to privately train their kids to wreak violence on the world as a legitimate lifestyle choice.

 

But if you mix the Nazi kids in with the other kids, the Nazi kids will bully them

[gehringer_2]

18 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

What policy are we talking about?  

Almost any policy, but in particular to the idea that the fact that there may be some cases where home schooling is absolutely a better solution doesn't mean that on a national level the shared experience of the public school is still not going to provide  a better net social outcome for any country that wants have some cohesive national shared experience, and cultural references, so better public schools and attendance there-in is what I would argue is always the better policy to government to encourage. But never to the point where you make other options impossible because those exceptions will always exist.

Edited December 16, 2024 by gehringer_2

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Almost any policy, but in particular to the idea that the fact that there may be some cases where home schooling is absolutely a better solution doesn't mean that on a national level the shared experience of the public school is still not going to provide  a better net social outcome for any country that wants have some cohesive national shared experience, and cultural references, so better public schools and attendance there-in is what I would argue is always the better policy to government to encourage. But never to the point where you make other options impossible because those exceptions will always exist.

What happens if public schools create an environment based on MAGA ideals?  Will the shared experience and cultural references still provide a better net social outcome?

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

What happens if public schools create an environment based on MAGA ideals?  Will the shared experience and cultural references still provide a better net social outcome?

they can try, but it's hard to do. No matter what they did the Soviets couldn't produce students that didn't grow up and understand the system was a crock. China is learning the same lesson. Sure, you can give up serious teaching altogether and just run a repressive regime that crushes everything the way Putin does now, but in that case your home schoolers are going to be sent to the gulag as well.

Edited December 16, 2024 by gehringer_2

[ewsieg]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

The clear implication of your first post, especially, was that anti-vax is the default position for liberals. I am simply here to tell you that is false.

Nope, it was just an anecdotal story that I was reminded of because you made a statement about how RFK (or the right, or trump or all of the above) would probably make a vaccine on the same level as a narcotic.  The ironic part and the reason why I shared it is because back then, if you were anti-vax, you were likely a liberal voting hippy/mother earth person.  I still contend that is correct but shouldn't have been misconstrued as all liberals are anti-vax.

[LaceyLou]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Nope, it was just an anecdotal story that I was reminded of because you made a statement about how RFK (or the right, or trump or all of the above) would probably make a vaccine on the same level as a narcotic.  The ironic part and the reason why I shared it is because back then, if you were anti-vax, you were likely a liberal voting hippy/mother earth person.  I still contend that is correct but shouldn't have been misconstrued as all liberals are anti-vax.

I believe you're right, also a lot of the anti-vaxxers also were more likely to have an advanced degree and be upper class. I don't have any anti-vax acquaintances AFAIK, so I'm only going by what I read at the time. IIRC there were already places in some fairly well to do areas where childhood diseases were popping up again.

 

[romad1]

The threat to Liz Cheney is weird messaging.  Great timing when you need congressional approvals for your nominees.

[Tigeraholic1]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

The threat to Liz Cheney is weird messaging.  Great timing when you need congressional approvals for your nominees.

According to text messages, that appear to be from the encrypted messaging app “Signal,” between Hutchinson and Farah Griffin obtained by the Subcommittee, Cheney agreed to communicate with Hutchinson through Farah Griffin.However, it appears that Cheney knew communicating with Hutchinson while Hutchinson was represented by an attorney and a subject of the Select Committee’s investigation, without going through Hutchinson’s attorney, would be unethical. This is evident by Farah Griffin’s text to Hutchinson that Cheney’s “one concern was so long as [sic] you have counsel, she can’t really ethically talk to you without him.”?

https://cha.house.gov/2024/10/new-texts-reveal-liz-cheney-communicated-with-cassidy-hutchinson-about-her-select-committee-testimony-without-hutchinson-s-attorney-s-knowledge-despite-cheney-knowing-it-was-unethical

[pfife]

Lol barry loudermilk

[CMRivdogs]

Hershel Walker gets an ambassadorship. A free vacation in the Bahamas 

[chasfh]

4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

Hershel Walker gets an ambassadorship. A free vacation in the Bahamas 

Well, at least if he gets us in a war with them, we have a good chance of winning it.

[pfife]

Bahamas should trade him to the vikings for a championship core of ambassadors 

[CMRivdogs]

They just keep getting weirder. How does one justify voting for these clowns

https://newrepublic.com/post/189490/maga-victoria-spartz-doge-republican-majority

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Indiana Representative Victoria Spartz has announced she will be stepping away from the “circuses” of doing what she was elected to do—governing—so that she could join forces with a fake advisory group that wants to dismantle the government.

Spartz pledged her services Monday to the Department of Government Efficiency, led by technocrat Elon Musk and failed presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy.

I will stay as a registered Republican but will not sit on committees or participate in the caucus until I see that Republican leadership in Congress is governing,” Spartz wrote in a post on X. “I do not need to be involved in circuses.”

Spartz wrote that she would rather spend her time in office not carrying out the functions of that office but helping DOGE and Representative Thomas Massie, who similarly committed himself to working with DOGE, “to save our Republic.”

 

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

They just keep getting weirder. How does one justify voting for these clowns

https://newrepublic.com/post/189490/maga-victoria-spartz-doge-republican-majority

 

I suppose all one can do is hope that if these people actually start looking into things with a little energy they may learn something about how ignorant they are currently are, but that's probably expecting too much. (this is actually the real reason that people on the outside complain that the bureaucracy 'captures' people  - it's generally because once on the inside one-time bomb throwers learn they didn't understand how things really work.)

[CMRivdogs]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I suppose all one can do is hope that if these people actually start looking into things with a little energy they may learn something about how ignorant they are currently are, but that's probably expecting too much. (this is actually the real reason that people on the outside complain that the bureaucracy 'captures' people  - it's generally because once on the inside one-time bomb throwers learn they didn't understand how things really work.)

Unfortunately I feel like they're like the poor people in Jonestown. They'll keep drinking the Trump Kool Aid until we become a true third world nation.

 

[LaceyLou]

7 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

Hershel Walker gets an ambassadorship. A free vacation in the Bahamas 

Hmm, I was thinking of trying to move there, but maybe not now...