oblong Posted January 6 Posted January 6 These fake cowboys out playing with their guns pretending to be a militia wouldn’t last. I bet they can’t run 1/4 mile without hyperventilating. They can’t be bothered to get off their couch because Judge Judy is on. Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, LaceyLou said: I know a fair number of liberals who own guns already... and they're excellent shots. About 20% of Democrats own guns. It only takes a very small percentage of that to form a potent militia and it's not something I want to see. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The 2nd amendment talks about militias. I'm glad you finally noticed. Which militia do you belong to? Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 16 minutes ago, mtutiger said: For a variety of reasons, I would be very wary about using the 2024 Presidential Election results in making determinations about attitudes on guns. I'd be willing to bet that the difference in election results in 2020 and 2024 had zero to do with guns. The gun nuts were already with Trump. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 6 Posted January 6 53 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The 2nd amendment talks about militias. It all says WELL REGULATED. Something your boys don't seem to understand too well. Quote
mtutiger Posted January 6 Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I'd be willing to bet that the difference in election results in 2020 and 2024 had zero to do with guns. The gun nuts were already with Trump. We'll have to wait for Catalist to release their analysis of the 2024 electorate, but while it isn't the sexy answer, backlash against inflation seems to be the biggest driver based on what evidence exists today. Partisan Rs are currently making the same mistake that all winning sides do in these contests in assuming that their win means that American voters love every single position they take on every single issue. And that's just not the case. (Full disclosure, I made this mistake too in 2020 at times too, so I am as guilty as anyone) Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 56 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I'm glad you finally noticed. Which militia do you belong to? None, I have taught youth gun safety for a Boy Scout troop a number of years. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 46 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: It all says WELL REGULATED. Something your boys don't seem to understand too well. So you would support militias if they had training camps with organizational rankings and what not? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 6 Posted January 6 20 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: So you would support militias if they had training camps with organizational rankings and what not? I support things like the National Gaurd and US Military. We already have a standing Army, no need for local militias. 1 Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) The point could also be made that is ALSO to protect the people from a tyrannic government. There is that whole government infringement part. Edited January 6 by Tigeraholic1 Quote
Tigermojo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The point could also be made that is ALSO to protect the people from a tyrannic government. Militia vs drones? Don't think the founding fathers had drones in mind. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Tigermojo said: Militia vs drones? Don't think the founding fathers had drones in mind. You lost me there. We got militias picking off drones? Quote
Tiger337 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The point could also be made that is ALSO to protect the people from a tyrannic government. There is that whole government infringement part. Which people? And who decides when the government is being tyrannic? 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: You lost me there. We got militias picking off drones? Drones picking off Militia. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Which people? And who decides when the government is being tyrannic? Who knows. But the way I interpret the 2nd amendment it allows the people to have the ability to defend itself from the government. Government was already armed when it was written was it not? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: The point could also be made that is ALSO to protect the people from a tyrannic government. There is that whole government infringement part. I'm old enough to remember Cal Gov Reagan getting his panties in a bunch over the Black Panthers carrying rifles public. That was part of the beginning of the gun control argument. Who is to judge whether a "Militia" is radical like say the Oath Keepers or some left wing radical group similar to Weather Underground? What we would probably end up with would be something similar to the Jets and Sharks. I just don't see local militias taking up the role similar to local volunteer fire departments or rescue squads. If states and localities would draw up guidelines and regulations so that such groups could operate under strict guidelines, I might agree. But the folks drawn to militias tend to dislike government mandates of any form unless they agree with the mandates. From what I've seen, there is no compromise with these guys. They're basically no difference between them and the street gangs in many local cities. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Drones picking off Militia. Forgive me for being a simpleton from the Midwest. Could you point me to an example of this? Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Who knows. But the way I interpret the 2nd amendment it allows the people to have the ability to defend itself from the government. Government was already armed when it was written was it not? It was a very small standing army. Size and scope was limited. The founders were very much aware of the British Army seizing homes and businesses following the events in Boston. Post war there was a small militia to guard the settlers who moved beyond the Appalachians into lands that England had deeded to the native tribes in a treaty post 7 year war (another discussion for another time). Guys like Jefferson and Patrick Henry feared standing armies, so the size of the force was limited in size and scope. They mostly relied on state controlled militias (well regulated) According to your interpretation I'm allowed to arm myself to protection against any MAGA neighbors who may also be armed because they don't like the county or state rezoning local land for a Mega Mart or something. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Forgive me for being a simpleton from the Midwest. Could you point me to an example of this? I live near a CIA camp. It could happen. They're just not telling us Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Denver Riggleman @denverr.bsky.social Follow After today, January 6th 2021 will fade. Some will continue to track the bad actors, study what a coup attempt looks like in America. But, fade it will until it happens again, fomented by social media, domestic terrorists, cowards & foreign influencers. Our political & justice system failed us. Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I live near a CIA camp. It could happen. They're just not telling us Lost me again. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Lost me again. All out of maps or compasses Quote
CMRivdogs Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Forgive me for being a simpleton from the Midwest. Could you point me to an example of this? https://www.reuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/DRONES/dwpkeyjwkpm/ You're extremely bad at sarcasm. Edited January 7 by CMRivdogs Quote
Tigeraholic1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: All out of maps or compasses I respect the heck out of your takes. However this is major projecting and would have happened in the last four years if it had any legs. Edited January 7 by Tigeraholic1 1 Quote
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