Cleanup in Aisle Lunatic (h/t romad1)

[Tiger337]

6 hours ago, chasfh said:

Will they now try to shut down AI because it is anti-"free speech"? Or maybe require all AI development take place under the direct supervision of the Trump government?

All AI will eventually all be under the supervision of billionaires.  That is inevitable.  

[mtutiger]

This quoted thread (and Julian Sanchez' response) were in reference to the German elections yesterday (where the fascist party got ~19% of the vote), but it's really thought provoking about how *we* got to where we are.

[ben9753]

They imagine themselves as the strong men in hard times. In reality they're the weak men in good times.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

All AI will eventually all be under the supervision of billionaires.  That is inevitable.  

Everything in America is essentially under the supervision of billionaires, one way or the other. The $64 question is how direct a hand the Trump government will have it the development of AI.

[Tiger337]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Everything in America is essentially under the supervision of billionaires, one way or the other. The $64 question is how direct a hand the Trump government will have it the development of AI.

The line between government and big business is getting very thin.  Certainly, people like Musk (or more accurately the people working for him) will have a huge influence on the development of AI.  It won't be for the greater good unless you think profit is for the greater good.  

[oblong]

I'm still not sold on AI being better for important tasks.  I can see the value for things like creating low risk boiler plate thing.  But if it's important to get a right answer then don't use AI.  Maybe it's just in the applications I see.  I see all these ads for things a friend of mine in the HR industry called "productivity porn".  Ways to "optimize" your tasks and emails and meetings.... **** all of that.  People spend more time trying to figure out how to "automate" something just to show they did it, when you could just do it.  I have some tasks that I do that are remedial but I will also find the 5% that is wrong and its' important I find those things.  I'd rather spend the 20 minues doing that instead of automating and letting the 5% slip thru until someone notices it.  It's great until it doesn't work then everybody is scrambling trying to figure out what went wrong and that's time wasted because nobody knows the systems well enough because they used AI to get rid of the experts.

There's a difference between AI and programming. 

[Tiger337]

26 minutes ago, oblong said:

I'm still not sold on AI being better for important tasks.  I can see the value for things like creating low risk boiler plate thing.  But if it's important to get a right answer then don't use AI.  Maybe it's just in the applications I see.  I see all these ads for things a friend of mine in the HR industry called "productivity porn".  Ways to "optimize" your tasks and emails and meetings.... **** all of that.  People spend more time trying to figure out how to "automate" something just to show they did it, when you could just do it.  I have some tasks that I do that are remedial but I will also find the 5% that is wrong and its' important I find those things.  I'd rather spend the 20 minues doing that instead of automating and letting the 5% slip thru until someone notices it.  It's great until it doesn't work then everybody is scrambling trying to figure out what went wrong and that's time wasted because nobody knows the systems well enough because they used AI to get rid of the experts.

There's a difference between AI and programming. 

I see this automation versus just doing it yourself in computer programming all the time.  There are programmers who want to automate EVERYTHING when it's actually better to automate some things and do other things separetely.  If you are going to do the same exact procedure over and over, then you should automate with macros.  If you are doing something just once, then trying to automate your program is a waste of time.  I imagine there are similar situations in AI.  

[chasfh]

Ladies and gentleman, our new deputy FBI director.

[ewsieg]

5 hours ago, mtutiger said:

This quoted thread (and Julian Sanchez' response) were in reference to the German elections yesterday (where the fascist party got ~19% of the vote), but it's really thought provoking about how *we* got to where we are.

This is an interesting take and I think i've seen it in real time myself.  My MIL has a 2nd home on a lake in mid-Michigan.  An association on the lake worked with the local authorities and got an assessment added as part of a plan to dredge the lake.  It's a man made lake and apparently has always been done every 10-15 years, but hasn't been done in about 20.  As such, lots of algae issues that everyone on the lake is dealing with.  Years ago when they started this current dredging project, a lone person started a new 'association' and has done nothing but demand "answers", and find "documents" which they then read wrong and claim it is evidence, and the whole point is they want it to be considered a public lake (which it is, but it also has no public access which they don't seem to understand) and therefore feel the state should pay for it or grants could be applied for (which attempts were made).

While most don't follow this new group, she's definitely recruited a lot of users and they almost were successful in stopping the dredging (which already was delayed due to unrelated EGLE issues.) 

The oddest thing is that the facebook group for them sounds MAGA'ish or at least Qanon'ish, yet the women running it also randomly puts anti-Trump stuff on it.  Yet many of the people she has gotten to join her, are more Trumpy.  It simply makes no sense, much like all of our politics now.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I see this automation versus just doing it yourself in computer programming all the time.  There are programmers who want to automate EVERYTHING when it's actually better to automate some things and do other things separetely.  If you are going to do the same exact procedure over and over, then you should automate with macros.  If you are doing something just once, then trying to automate your program is a waste of time.  I imagine there are similar situations in AI.  

There is an old saw about engineering mentality being the person that will spend 20 minutes doing a 5 minute task the first time so he can do it in 4 minutes the next time. I think there is a lot of truth in that. But like most things - there is a limit to how much a good thing is still a good thing.

[LaceyLou]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Ladies and gentleman, our new deputy FBI director.

He seems nice.

[Tiger337]

31 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

He seems nice.

Sounds like a really stable individual.  Just what we need in the FBI.  

[romad1]

33 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

He seems nice.

The people he hates didn't vote with Putin in the UN today.