Tigeraholic1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Comerica Park - Detroit, MI TV: Ballysports Detroit Radio: WXYT Forecast LHP Eduardo Rodriguez vs RHP Luis Severino Happy 420!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 **** Slump buster lineup alert!!!!!********** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatkoVarda Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 White Sox have 5 errors thru 2 innings, trail 10-0; TLR should take a cab home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Manning to IL, Angel DeJesus recalled. If Angel DeJesus can't save them nobody can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Manning to IL, Angel DeJesus recalled. If Angel DeJesus can't save them nobody can. so much for not missing his next start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Manning to IL, Angel DeJesus recalled. If Angel DeJesus can't save them nobody can. I'm going to hold off on a reaction until I hear Jackass' thoughts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I don't get why people have issue with what Morris said. He didn't say anything bad or lie. Pitchers of his day and before pitched a lot more and for more inning. Some guys pitched 15 to 18 inning games. I'm sure their shoulders were sore and continued to be after their playing days. Pitchers are treated very soft these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Archie said: I don't get why people have issue with what Morris said. He didn't say anything bad or lie. Pitchers of his day and before pitched a lot more and for more inning. Some guys pitched 15 to 18 inning games. I'm sure their shoulders were sore and continued to be after their playing days. Pitchers are treated very soft these days. I think the reason it appeared in poor taste was that he appeared to be blaming Manning, and all Manning did was not lie to his manager and trainer - which would be a stupid policy for any young player. If Jack is just bemoaning the general state of the game, fine, but he didn't make that explicit. To me the weird thing is that despite athletes in the modern era getting faster, stronger, better in almost every way, we still have this weird idea that somehow off all the athletes in the world, baseball pitchers have made the choice to go soft. I think that is not a very credible view. I'm sure pitchers today train more and harder than their average predecessors ever did. It apparently doesn't help given what is being demanded of them. In fact maybe over training is the problem. If the dominant injury is UCL *wearout* maybe guys need to be throwing far less and saving it for games only - though I think that had been tried as well without it making any difference. Whatever - it's clear the people in the sport do not understand the source of the problem, or just won't or can't do anything about it (too many breaking balls being thrown?). The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that it's not because today's pitchers are 'soft' as athletes. Edited April 20, 2022 by gehringer_2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Archie said: I don't get why people have issue with what Morris said. He didn't say anything bad or lie. Pitchers of his day and before pitched a lot more and for more inning. Some guys pitched 15 to 18 inning games. I'm sure their shoulders were sore and continued to be after their playing days. Pitchers are treated very soft these days. It's not about being "soft". When Morris was pitching, every batter wasn't a home run threat. Pitchers could pace themselves and were able to throw more pitches. Today, pitchers have to bear down on every batter. They also didn't know much about pitching injuries back then. They now try to manager pitching staffs in order to minimize injuries. I am not sure how well it works, but it's not done because pitchers are "soft". Morris should make an attempt to keep up with the modern game. It would make him a better broadcaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermojo Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 In my day, Kirk Gibson went to bat with one good leg and we liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Comerica Park - Detroit, MI TV: Ballysports Detroit Radio: WXYT Forecast LHP Eduardo Rodriguez vs RHP Luis Severino Happy 420!!! Jimmy on 420...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: White Sox have 5 errors thru 2 innings, trail 10-0; TLR should take a cab home. They weren't a good defensive team last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's not about being "soft". When Morris was pitching, every batter wasn't a home run threat. Pitchers could pace themselves and were able to throw more pitches. Today, pitchers have to bear down on every batter. They also didn't know much about pitching injuries back then. They now try to manager pitching staffs in order to minimize injuries. I am not sure how well it works, but it's not done because pitchers are "soft". Morris should make an attempt to keep up with the modern game. It would make him a better broadcaster. I mostly agree but are all the injuries to pitchers caused by limiting them early in their careers? The Tigers were careful with Mize and Manning last season and they're still injured. How did that work out for them? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I mostly agree but are all the injuries to pitchers caused by limiting them early in their careers? The Tigers were careful with Mize and Manning last season and they're still injured. How did that work out for them? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. yeah, They are better at fixing injuries now but it's not clear to me how much they have learned about preventing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: yeah, They are better at fixing injuries now but it's not clear to me how much they have learned about preventing them. Maybe the Tigers can get a deal on TJ surgery for Manning and Mize. 2 for 1. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Candy hitting cleanup...AJ channeling his inner Ausmus? More at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dtrain72 said: Candy hitting cleanup...AJ channeling his inner Ausmus? More at 11. Got a stack of line-ups already filled out...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I mostly agree but are all the injuries to pitchers caused by limiting them early in their careers? The Tigers were careful with Mize and Manning last season and they're still injured. How did that work out for them? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. OTOH, didn't Mize throw a lot of innings in college, and a lot of splits, which is supposedly a tough pitch on the arm? Then again, at one time the big deal was controlling how much kids threw before they were 18 and how many breaking balls. I don't know if that is still a thing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: OTOH, didn't Mize throw a lot of innings in college, and a lot of splits, which is supposedly a tough pitch on the arm? Then again, at one time the big deal was controlling how much kids threw before they were 18 and how many breaking balls. I don't know if that is still a thing or not. Turnbull, Boyd, Mize and Manning. I'm starting to see a trend. Go ahead, call up some more young starting pitchers, I double dare you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I mostly agree but are all the injuries to pitchers caused by limiting them early in their careers? The Tigers were careful with Mize and Manning last season and they're still injured. How did that work out for them? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think it's very much a individual thing. Take Max Scherzer. When he first came up, everyone was predicting a major injury from him because of his delivery and he's been relatively healthy his whole career. Now take Justin Verlander, who most people would consider has the perfect delivery, missed time in 2015 due to injury and later had TJ surgery. Scherzer, while being a regular starting pitcher for the prior 4 years, didn't hit 200 innings until his age 28 season. Verlander, on the other hand, had 5 years of 200+ innings through his age 28 season (including 2 years at 240+). Maybe Verlander was overworked early in his career and that was the cause of TJ surgery? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrob2004 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dtrain72 said: Candy hitting cleanup...AJ channeling his inner Ausmus? More at 11. Shhh...don't criticize Hinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, bobrob2004 said: Shhh...don't criticize Hinch. Lol, I actually love Hinch and think he's one of the best managers in mlb, but some of his lineups could be better this year (I know, 10 games in, and no Baez), but Candy really needs to be in a 6-9 spot at this point imo...but I'm just a slub on my couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrain72 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Wow, a painless 1st inning! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, bobrob2004 said: I think it's very much a individual thing. Take Max Scherzer. When he first came up, everyone was predicting a major injury from him because of his delivery and he's been relatively healthy his whole career. Now take Justin Verlander, who most people would consider has the perfect delivery, missed time in 2015 due to injury and later had TJ surgery. Scherzer, while being a regular starting pitcher for the prior 4 years, didn't hit 200 innings until his age 28 season. Verlander, on the other hand, had 5 years of 200+ innings through his age 28 season (including 2 years at 240+). Maybe Verlander was overworked early in his career and that was the cause of TJ surgery? Yeah, I guess I'm not blaming Hinch or the Tiger organization. Just bad luck? Those 4 pitchers make up an entire pitching staff. If Mize and Manning need TJ surgery (I'm NOT saying they will) they'll be out until 2024. Just a horrible possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Meadows needs to show some power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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