Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 We also traded our top of the 5th round pick this year for WR Trinity Benson . That’s not looking so good at this moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hongbit said: They have very little high end talent at LB and DB. Almost none of it is young. You need these positions to win. WR is arguably one of their deeper positions on the Lions with AmonRa, Reynolds, Chark, Cephus. There are so many holes on the defense that I would’ve preferred to fill some instead of trading extra picks for another WR They traded one 3rd round pick for Williams. I wouldn't say WR is deep either. Cephus? Really? Except for St brown, they're all on one or two year deals. This is a passing league and you get a HR hitter and game breaker. They'll still likely get a defensive player at 46. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: They traded one 3rd round pick for Williams. I wouldn't say WR is deep either. Cephus? Really? Except for St brown, they're all on one or two year deals. This is a passing league and you get a HR hitter and game breaker. They'll still likely get a defensive player at 46. I’m interested to see who they get and if they even pick ar 46 but there is a drop off in trading back from 34 to 46. It’s not as inconsequential as you are making it out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: I’m interested to see who they get and if they even pick ar 46 but there is a drop off in trading back from 34 to 46. It’s not as inconsequential as you are making it out to be. Conversely, I don't think the drop off from 34 to 46 is as big as you are making it out to be. Especially when the opportunity was there to get a Tyreek Hill type talent. I'll take that over getting the next Delmas and Tulloch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Conversely, I don't think the drop off from 34 to 46 is as big as you are making it out to be. Especially when the opportunity was there to get a Tyreek Hill type talent. I'll take that over getting the next Delmas and Tulloch. How would you have felt had they made the trade and picked Hamilton instead of Williams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Hongbit said: They have very little high end talent at LB and DB. Almost none of it is young. You need these positions to win. WR is arguably one of their deeper positions on the Lions with AmonRa, Reynolds, Chark, Cephus. There are so many holes on the defense that I would’ve preferred to fill some instead of trading extra picks for another WR Our DBs are almost exclusively young: Walker is the old man at 27. Harris 26, Jacobs 24, Melifonwu 23, Okudah 23, Oruwariye 26, Price 24. They need a safety and a LB. But the young part doesnt line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: Our DBs are almost exclusively young: Walker is the old man at 27. Harris 26, Jacobs 24, Melifonwu 23, Okudah 23, Oruwariye 26, Price 24. They need a safety and a LB. But the young part doesnt line up. Oruwariye and Walker are the only ones that I would consider high end talent. Possibly Melafonwu Edited April 29, 2022 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Hongbit said: They have very little high end talent at LB and DB. Almost none of it is young. You need these positions to win. WR is arguably one of their deeper positions on the Lions with AmonRa, Reynolds, Chark, Cephus. There are so many holes on the defense that I would’ve preferred to fill some instead of trading extra picks for another WR What wins in the NFL these days? Explosive offenses that can put up a ton of points. I get your concern about defense and share it to an extent. I used to be in the defense wins championships camp, but that simply isn't true anymore. Look at all the teams that made a conference championships this past season, 3 of the 4 were top 10 scoring offenses in the league. In 2020 I believe all 4 conference championship teams were in the top 10 in scoring. Offense wins championships in the NFL and they are loading up on offensive talent and lineman who can block and give that talent time to operate. Honestly, while I would probably draft one of the best defensive players available at #46, I would not be surprised if the pick was Kenneth Walker or Breece Hall. Edited April 29, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 the lions have receivers, but none of them are any good except st brown. my issue with williams is the injury. i know acls arent what they used to be, but he just tore it and you dont know how he's going to come back or if it means he might tear it again, or overcompensate and injure his other leg, or shy away from contact now that he's been injured. you just dont know. but if he comes back 100% it was probably a good pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longgone Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: They traded one 3rd round pick for Williams. I wouldn't say WR is deep either. Cephus? Really? Except for St brown, they're all on one or two year deals. This is a passing league and you get a HR hitter and game breaker. They'll still likely get a defensive player at 46 Doubt they take a lb at 46, most likely a db. TE is a bigger need than anyone is stating with all the two TE sets they run, and the fact that if Hock goes down, they are screwed, but 46 may be a tad early unless it is McBride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, RedRamage said: Here's what PFF just did: trade back again, pick up a 4th and/or 5th, and then take harris or muma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hongbit said: How would you have felt had they made the trade and picked Hamilton instead of Williams? I wouldn't have liked it as much as the Williams pick. Not sure what this has to do about anything. Let's just say, I would draft the guy that torched Georgia's defense than draft the guys that got torched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 you guys are all gonna flip when they take sam howell or matt corral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, Mr.TaterSalad said: What wins in the NFL these days? Explosive offenses that can put up a ton of points. I get your concern about defense and share it to an extent. I used to be in the defense wins championships camp, but that simply isn't true anymore. Look at all the teams that made a conference championships this past season, 3 of the 4 were top 10 scoring offenses in the league. In 2020 I believe all 4 conference championship teams were in the top 10 in scoring. Offense wins championships in the NFL and they are loading up on offensive talent and lineman who can block and give that talent time to operate. What wins in the NFL is a suoerstar QB leading a high end offense. The Lions have Jared Goff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, Hongbit said: What wins in the NFL is a suoerstar QB leading a high end offense. The Lions have Jared Goff And yet Jared Goff has won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: And yet Jared Goff has won. Has - as in 4 years ago. Something happened to him and he’s not the same guy. There’s a reason they gave up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: And yet Jared Goff has won. lol. jared goff has also lost, gotten benched, and then fired. and his replacement won the super bowl. goff is an adequate qb and a fine placeholder until they can hopefully find a better replacement, but he's not a good starting nfl qb. come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 if the lions took a non malik willis qb, would you be pissed? if they traded up to get willis, would you be pissed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Hongbit said: Has - as in 4 years ago. Something happened to him and he’s not the same guy. There’s a reason they gave up on him. It took Matthew Stafford 12 years to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Let's draft the guys who were beaten up and diem the field instead of the guy who dominated them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, buddha said: if the lions took a non malik willis qb, would you be pissed? if they traded up to get willis, would you be pissed? I wouldn't say pissed but I wouldn't care for either move. I'm kind of intrigued to draft Willis at 46 if he's available but not as a future QB but more of a Taysom Hill type with the potential of being the future QB. The Lions could also be trend setters by going to a more college type system of playing different QBs. It probably wouldn't work but it would be an interesting experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Let's draft the guys who were beaten up and diem the field instead of the guy who dominated them. None of those beaten up guys left the field on a cart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hongbit said: None of those beaten up guys left the field on a cart. Had Williams not left on a cart, he wouldn't have been available. Even a 90% Williams can probably blow the top off of most defenses. The Lions need playmakers. They still have a 2nd round pick to boot with the guy who has made a living drafting good players in the middle rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 36 minutes ago, buddha said: you guys are all gonna flip when they take sam howell or matt corral. Give me Carson Strong + one of these: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: They traded one 3rd round pick for Williams. I wouldn't say WR is deep either. Cephus? Really? Except for St brown, they're all on one or two year deals. This is a passing league and you get a HR hitter and game breaker. They'll still likely get a defensive player at 46. quality receiving in total doesn't look bad when you add Swift (62 catches in '21) plus Hockenson & St. B & Williams to the mix. Edited April 29, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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