The Better Call Saul (Don't look until you're caught up) Thread

[chasfh]

On 8/15/2022 at 10:58 AM, oblong said:

The mind is crazy.  Have no idea where that came from.  I went to Dollywood when I was a kid, drove by it in 2016.  That's it.  I love Dolly Parton but haven't thought about her in awhile.

 

That's interesting given how she has evolved into the status of National Treasure in just the last, say, five years.

[Motor City Sonics]

 

 

It's a whole song?

 

 

[Tigeraholic1]

 

 

[Shades of Deivi Cruz]

I enjoyed Squid Game as much as anyone else, but Odenkirk got completely hosed on that. Also, I loved the character Ruth on Ozark, but Rhea deserved that win. The last season of Ozark was a bit of a mess, while BCS was delivering the goods.

 

PS: I was very happy with all of the love White Lotus got. That show was a lot of fun.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Shades of Deivi Cruz

[oblong]

6 minutes ago, Shades of Deivi Cruz said:

I enjoyed Squid Game as much as anyone else, but Odenkirk got completely hosed on that. Also, I loved the character Ruth on Ozark, but Rhea deserved that win. The last season of Ozark was a bit of a mess, while BCS was delivering the goods.

 

PS: I was very happy with all of the love White Lotus got. That show was a lot of fun.

What season of Ozark did these Emmys apply to?  I'm pretty sure BCS gets one more shot at the Emmys for the season that just concluded .

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

46 minutes ago, oblong said:

What season of Ozark did these Emmys apply to?  I'm pretty sure BCS gets one more shot at the Emmys for the season that just concluded .

 

 

Yes, this Emmy awards was before much of Season 6 aired.    Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn will get nominations again, as will the series.   The Emmys have never much liked this series.   How Michael McKean didn't even get a nomination for Chicanery is just a crime.  Brilliant acting in that episode.   One of the most underappreciated actors ever. 

[oblong]

Just now, Motor City Sonics said:

Yes, this Emmy awards was before much of Season 6 aired.    Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn will get nominations again, as will the series.   The Emmys have never much liked this series.   How Michael McKean didn't even get a nomination for Chicanery is just a crime.  Brilliant acting in that episode.   One of the most underappreciated actors ever. 

because the show is not easily digested. It requires discipline by the viewer to invest.  You can't watch it while playing on your phone or folding laundry.  You could have a great 3 minute sequence of no dialogue, just brilliant camera shots and framing of Mike building a hidden compartment in his closet.  That shit don't work for the Emmys.

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

5 minutes ago, oblong said:

because the show is not easily digested. It requires discipline by the viewer to invest.  You can't watch it while playing on your phone or folding laundry.  You could have a great 3 minute sequence of no dialogue, just brilliant camera shots and framing of Mike building a hidden compartment in his closet.  That shit don't work for the Emmys.

 

 

7 minutes of Mike taking apart his car looking for a transmitter, no dialogue.........brilliant work, brilliant editing.....Jonathan Banks literally taking the car apart by himself (he really did)............but no dramatic speech,  I understand that,  but the acting is brilliant in this, especially Odenkirk.   Mr. Show prepared him well to play a multi-dimensional, multi-personality part.     Maybe AMC didn't bribe enough. 

[chasfh]

Vince Gilligan makes it clear within the article that Rhea Seehorn will be playing a hero, not an anti-hero.

 

[Motor City Sonics]

I was just coming here to post about the new show. 

Man, how about that first episode.  Slow start, but that was great !

[Motor City Sonics]

I don't know why the Golden Globe voters seem to hate Better Call Saul, but Bob Odenkirk lost to Kevin Costner (great inside joke in there).   On his worst day Bob can act circles around Costner.   

 

 

[chasfh]

Golden Globes is foreign press, right? Voters might have a different standard, based on the cultural currency of their individual countries, versus that of the Academy. Just spitballing on that one, though.

[Motor City Sonics]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

Golden Globes is foreign press, right? Voters might have a different standard, based on the cultural currency of their individual countries, versus that of the Academy. Just spitballing on that one, though.

I just don't get it, because the Emmys seems to have a problem with the show too.   Rhea Seehorn has never been nominated, which is ridiculous.  The nominations are based on a performance in a single episode and Michael McKean didn't even get nominated for the Chicanery episode.  Are you kidding.  That was a brilliant performance - in 10 short minutes.   

Edited January 11, 2023 by Motor City Sonics

[Motor City Sonics]

RHEA SEEHORN NOMINATED FOR AN EMMY !     It's about time.  She was brilliant the whole series, but especially the last 2 seasons.   Even though I see her as a Lead, she is nominated for Supporting Actress (It's the show runner's decision on which category to submit actors for).   

 

 

[oblong]

I assume succession, since it just ended, will have another Emmy season?  If so I think that’s some hope for BCS winning a few. 

[Motor City Sonics]

7 hours ago, oblong said:

I assume succession, since it just ended, will have another Emmy season?  If so I think that’s some hope for BCS winning a few. 

Has BCS ever won a single Emmy?    I think they've been snubbed.   To me, the biggest snub (they submit acting performances for single episodes) was Michael McKean in the Chicanery episode (his meltdown in Jimmy's hearing).  He was so freaking brilliant in that episode.  He wasn't even nominated.     He was so good in that role.  The same guy that played Lenny and David St. Hubbins in Spinal Tap played that soulless, jealous, scheming crank to perfection.    (and, as we all know Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy).  

My guess is that Ms. Seehorn was nominated for the Waterworks episode.   Geez, the Shuttle Scene alone would have been enough, but that whole episode she was brilliant.    The only character in BCS that left it with a shot at redemption.  

 

[oblong]

I don't think they have ever won.  For some reason those voters didn't get the show.

I just watched Odenkirk last night in The Bear and was reminded of how good he was.  My wife was casually in the room with me during the BCS run, she didn't really watch it, but is so into The Bear and she was blown away by his performance.  I told her "See what you have been missing?"

[Motor City Sonics]

9 minutes ago, oblong said:

I don't think they have ever won.  For some reason those voters didn't get the show.

I just watched Odenkirk last night in The Bear and was reminded of how good he was.  My wife was casually in the room with me during the BCS run, she didn't really watch it, but is so into The Bear and she was blown away by his performance.  I told her "See what you have been missing?"

I have not watched The Bear yet.    Our station just re-added "Strange Currencies" by R.E.M. because of it's use in the show.  Won't be the same comeback as Kate Bush's song from Stranger Things, but yeah, people have requested it.  

[oblong]

I'm only bumping this up to mention that I'm doing a rewatch of BCS.   I just started season 3, got through the first 2 seasons over the past week.

My observations:

1) It's much better the second time around.  Seems like the first time too much energy was spent trying to find links to BB and easter eggs, etc.  You missed out on things.  In the scene with Chuck where he records Jimmy confessing, he's got his house all taped up, etc.  He makes a reference to "it all burning down".  I remember feeling that the show dragged on and was a little slow.  I am not feeling that this time.  Maybe it was the week to week waiting.

2) The storylines were tighter than I remember.  I thought certain things lingered on longer than they actually did.

3) It's easier to follow the cartel stuff which confused me at the time.

4)  I am amazed at how much I forgot.  Obviously I recall the overall storyline but smaller plotlines are fresh to me.  I remember them immediately but several times I found myself anticipating almost as if I am watching for the first time.

 

Just wanted to throw this out there to anybody else who is considering doing this.  I am having a great time and can't wait to watch more every night.

[Motown Bombers]

I've rewatched Breaking Bad several times. I'll need to rewatch Better Call Saul. I still get bogged down in both how the cartel fits in. 

[Tigeraholic1]

Reading Rob’s revisit makes me want to rewatch with that thought process. 
 

[Motor City Sonics]

11 hours ago, oblong said:

I'm only bumping this up to mention that I'm doing a rewatch of BCS.   I just started season 3, got through the first 2 seasons over the past week.

My observations:

1) It's much better the second time around.  Seems like the first time too much energy was spent trying to find links to BB and easter eggs, etc.  You missed out on things.  In the scene with Chuck where he records Jimmy confessing, he's got his house all taped up, etc.  He makes a reference to "it all burning down".  I remember feeling that the show dragged on and was a little slow.  I am not feeling that this time.  Maybe it was the week to week waiting.

2) The storylines were tighter than I remember.  I thought certain things lingered on longer than they actually did.

3) It's easier to follow the cartel stuff which confused me at the time.

4)  I am amazed at how much I forgot.  Obviously I recall the overall storyline but smaller plotlines are fresh to me.  I remember them immediately but several times I found myself anticipating almost as if I am watching for the first time.

 

Just wanted to throw this out there to anybody else who is considering doing this.  I am having a great time and can't wait to watch more every night.

The attention to detail that Peter Gould and Vince Gilligan put in to this show just floors me.    The editing for this and Breaking Bad was better than anything I've ever seen - tv or film.      No Emmy wins.   Zero.    Emmys have almost less credibility than the Grammys now.    Don't even get me started on that.   And by the way,  good luck to Khruangbin on their Best New Artist nomination -- 9 years after their first album came out.   

[oblong]

Where is the Khruangbin reference coming from?  I saw them back in April. Great show. 
 

I think BCS is better than BB, similar to Godfather II being better than I but also acknowledging that you can’t get that without the other so you call it a tie. 

[oblong]

5 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Reading Rob’s revisit makes me want to rewatch with that thought process. 
 

I would totally do it.  I’m off for 2 weeks.  There was a whole sequence in the episode I eat her tonight I totally forgot about. I knew the “who” but was still enchanted. 

[Motor City Sonics]

8 hours ago, oblong said:

Where is the Khruangbin reference coming from?  I saw them back in April. Great show. 
 

I think BCS is better than BB, similar to Godfather II being better than I but also acknowledging that you can’t get that without the other so you call it a tie. 

The reference is that the Emmys are out of touch if that series went something like 0 for 53 in Emmy wins and the Grammys are out of touch for nominating Khruangbin for Best NEW Artist when they've been around for 9 years and just released their FIFTH album in 2024.    It's more of an insult to the band, like saying their first 8 years didn't count.