CMRivdogs Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 21 minutes ago, chasfh said: The biggest concern I have in all this is that it's all going to be primarily about paying off the woman, and not about the treason. The Trump Daniels thing is almost the exact same as John Edwards using campaign funds to pay hush money to the woman he was having an affair with, and he got acquitted. Even Clinton Lewinsky was more or less swept under the table as nothing more than he was a bad widdle boy. If they decide to go after him Capone-style and fail, I don't know how they can think they can get him on the bigger stuff afterwards. At that point it will look legitimately political. So the indictments had better have some crimes that are more than about tawdry mushroom-headed sex. You got one chance when you go after the king. One. Best not miss. If I remember correctly the Edwards case ended in a hung jury. Not the best case scenario. I'm in the camp that would prefer to see the Georgia case go first. A little too quiet there for my taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Campaign finance violations. That’s the crime. I couldn’t give a rats ass who Trump screwed with and when. Non-issue, except as it relates to the charge. Who isn’t acknowledging this? The John Edwards thing was about about campaign finance violations. He was acquitted, and his only penalty was that the Democrats spun him off into the wilderness. Here, if Trump gets acquitted, he ain't going nowhere but the 2024 Republican ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, smr-nj said: Campaign finance violations. That’s the crime. I couldn’t give a rats ass who Trump screwed with and when. Non-issue, except as it relates to the charge. Who isn’t acknowledging this? Right, but it's not something that most Americans will take seriously. It will be viewed as something that all the politicians do. I wish they had one of the more serious cases come up first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The Georgia legislature is moving through a bill that would allow them to remove Fanni Willis. You can forget about Georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: Also, I really wish they wouldn't keep referring to him having had sex with and then paying off a "porn star". First of all, it makes him look cool to a lot of people, including the people who need to be convinced that he's a disgusting rat. Secondly, there is nothing I can see about the story that turns specifically on her being a "porn star", as opposed to being any other ordinary woman, so that part is irrelevant to the alleged crime. It's part of every story about it because it's prurient, so it's sexy (in a journalistic way) and maintains interest, page views and thus ad revenue—but again, makes him look cool. I think it makes him look like a pig and I would bet a small majority of adults agree. However, I don't think most view it as a major criminal offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 People saw a private email server as enough of an offensive to not vote for Hillary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: People saw a private email server as enough of an offensive to not vote for Hillary. Did they not vote for her becaudse of that or did they just use it as an excuse for hating her in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It reminds me of the first impeachment where I think they had a weak case among all the other rumored more serious stuff. I think they are going to screw this one up too. They've got all kinds of legitimate stuff to nail him on and this one is just going to look political and not taken seriously. The one thing is this does make it easier on DOJ as those grand juries wrap up. The seal has perhaps been broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Did they not vote for her becaudse of that or did they just use it as an excuse for hating her in general. I think that the FBI mishandling of the case made a lot of low information voters believe there was some kind of fire behind the smoke that of course in the end wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Did they not vote for her becaudse of that or did they just use it as an excuse for hating her in general. I actually voted third party in large part because of that. It's small fries now, but trust me when I am in a role where we are told all the time we can be fired and arrested for mishandling classified info, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Hopefully you're happy with your decision to waste your vote. Edited March 31, 2023 by Motown Bombers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Hopefully you're happy with your decision to waste your vote. I definitely didn’t waste it in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 39 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I actually voted third party in large part because of that. It's small fries now, but trust me when I am in a role where we are told all the time we can be fired and arrested for mishandling classified info, yes. I am also in a role where I am dealing with confidential data all the time. I don't necessarily agree with the rules, but I follow them. But then we had to work at home and it gets more complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I can't believe there were people out there who voted for either a Russian connected loonspud who thought wifi was a threat to your health or a guy who asked what an Aleppo was because of an email server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The thing is, the DA in Manhattan can’t worry about what is going on elsewhere with crimes. If they see something they do something. There’s no rule that you if you aren’t convicted of X then you can’t be charged with Y. There’s also no rule that if one person wasn’t convicted of X then no one else should be charged with X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, oblong said: The thing is, the DA in Manhattan can’t worry about what is going on elsewhere with crimes. If they see something they do something. There’s no rule that you if you aren’t convicted of X then you can’t be charged with Y. There’s also no rule that if one person wasn’t convicted of X then no one else should be charged with X. And there's a tendency among pundits and observers to act like this is all being hashed out in a smoke filled room. That isn't how any of this works. There are different entities looking into different possible crimes committed by the former President. When different entities can make a decision to bring a case or how they bring one is going to differ based on how long the investigation has happened, manpower, how much evidence needs to be examined, etc. In this case, it just happens that that the Manhattan DA got there first. It is what it is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 I didn't know what Aleppo was prior to Johnson's slip. Honestly, I tuned a lot of politics/world affairs out from... oh... 2009-early 2016. Life was a lot happier then, easier to get along with people. I may try to go back to those days. As for whether or not he should have been indicted. The fifth amendment says that is up to a Grand Jury, which gives the DA some plausible deniability here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, oblong said: The thing is, the DA in Manhattan can’t worry about what is going on elsewhere with crimes. If they see something they do something. There’s no rule that you if you aren’t convicted of X then you can’t be charged with Y. There’s also no rule that if one person wasn’t convicted of X then no one else should be charged with X. Yes, you are right. I am just concerned with how it is going to be viewed and I am disappointed that this one came up first. The other cases might all get slowed down enough where nothing happens before November, 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I didn't know what Aleppo was prior to Johnson's slip. Honestly, I tuned a lot of politics/world affairs out from... oh... 2009-early 2016. Life was a lot happier then, easier to get along with people. I may try to go back to those days. As for whether or not he should have been indicted. The fifth amendment says that is up to a Grand Jury, which gives the DA some plausible deniability here. I didn't know what it was either. And I agree that life is better without politics. I figured I'd get away from it when Trump lost, but he and the stupid clowns that surround him just keep coming up over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 I didn't know what it was either, but when I found out, I knew it was something a presidential candidate should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) Stein and Johnson combined for over 270,000 votes in Florida, more than double Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 51,000 votes in Michigan. Almost 5 times Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 31,000 votes in Wisconsin. Roughly 1.5 times Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 49,000 votes in Pennsylvania. 5,000 more than Trump's margin of victory. If these Jill Stein voters would have voted for Hillary, Roe would not be overturned, thousands fewer people die from COVID, and there would have been no insurrection. Hope these third party voters accomplished whatever it was they were looking to accomplish. Edited April 1, 2023 by Motown Bombers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Stein and Johnson combined for over 270,000 votes in Florida, more than double Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 51,000 votes in Michigan. Almost 5 times Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 31,000 votes in Wisconsin. Roughly 1.5 times Trump's margin of victory. Stein had 49,000 votes in Pennsylvania. 5,000 more than Trump's margin of victory. If these Jill Stein voters would have voted for Hillary, Roe would not be overturned, thousands fewer people die from COVID, and there would have been no insurrection. Hope these third party voters accomplished whatever it was they were looking to accomplish. If Hillary was a better candidate, she would have won. Don't blame this on people who couldn't stomach her. Also, I talked several people in Florida off of Trump and onto Johnson. You don't know how many of those people would have voted Trump one on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Edman85 said: If Hillary was a better candidate, she would have won. Don't blame this on people who couldn't stomach her. Also, I talked several people in Florida off of Trump and onto Johnson. You don't know how many of those people would have voted Trump one on one. That's fine. I hope you and others who voted for 3rd parties who had 0% chance of winning accomplished whatever it is you were looking to accomplish. That's fine you couldn't stomach her. Guess you can stomach Trump more. You admitted you voted for Johnson because of Hillary's emails. It apparently wasn't even anything about Johnson that won your vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 (edited) Maybe they weren't trying to accomplish anything. They were voting for who they thought was the best candidate. If Clinton was a better candidate she wouldn't have lost to a clown. I was going to vote for Sanders until I fould out that Massachusetts doesn't count write-ins. Edited April 1, 2023 by Tiger337 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Maybe they weren't trying to accomplish anything. They were voting for who they thought was the best candidate. If Clinton was a better candidate she wouldn't have lost to a clown. I was going to vote for Sanders until I fould out that Massachusetts doesn't count write-ins. Well Edman said he voted for Johnson because of Hillary's emails. He 100% knew that Johnson was not going to win so what exactly was the point of the vote? What exactly made Johnson a better candidate other than he wasn't Hillary or Trump? Massachusetts doesn't matter so I guess it's ok to throw away your vote there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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