Tiger337 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Can Native Americans run for President? When people keep pointing to the same mistake year after year, you may be doing something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: When people keep pointing to the same mistake year after year, you may be doing something right. I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. I don't know why she did it either, but It's been way overblown. She was already a very qualified professor with lots of publications before she even checked off the Native American box. I don't know what the benefit of doing it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasTiger Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Unless you've done a test, all we have to go on is what our families told us. That said, she shouldn't have checked that box probably. I do think she believed it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. She didn’t make it up. She grew up being told her family has Cherokee in their background, and like all children would, she believed it. She didn’t just fabricate it for woke points while running for office—she contributed to an American Indian cookbook in the 80s, so this has been part of her life all her life. If anything, her sin was to lean into that early in her career for apparent advantage, which is disputed but still smells funny; and for the wrong-headed and ham-fisted decision to utilize DNA testing to try to prove her bona fides, and the Nation told her so at the time. To her credit, she saw her error pretty quickly and apologized, and the Nation accepted that apology. I don’t think any right-wingers can be expected to move on from this, because of Tiger337’s implication that they got nothing else on her, but I think it’s pretty certain that she is in the clear on this issue because she isn’t trying to gaslight everybody about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, chasfh said: She didn’t make it up. She grew up being told her family has Cherokee in their background, and like all children would, she believed it. She didn’t just fabricate it for woke points while running for office—she contributed to an American Indian cookbook in the 80s, so this has been part of her life all her life. If anything, her sin was to lean into that early in her career for apparent advantage, which is disputed but still smells funny; and for the wrong-headed and ham-fisted decision to utilize DNA testing to try to prove her bona fides, and the Nation told her so at the time. To her credit, she saw her error pretty quickly and apologized, and the Nation accepted that apology. I don’t think any right-wingers can be expected to move on from this, because of Tiger337’s implication that they got nothing else on her, but I think it’s pretty certain that she is in the clear on this issue because she isn’t trying to gaslight everybody about it. This. The bully act by Trump of giving everyone stupid nicknames are childish and dumb. HOWEVER "Pochantas" still makes me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Over the last few days, the republic sharty callers have been arguing that the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the power to keep these documents. Literally the opposite is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, pfife said: Over the last few days, the republic sharty callers have been arguing that the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the power to keep these documents. Literally the opposite is true. "Hey, but George Washington took documents home with him after he left office ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: This. The bully act by Trump of giving everyone stupid nicknames are childish and dumb. HOWEVER "Pochantas" still makes me chuckle. "Pocahontas" makes me roll my eyes. It's middle school stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary. My subjective opinion is that his best one is the little used "Tiny D". Lil Marco was pretty funny too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I think Pocahantas for Warren was around before Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, pfife said: I think Pocahantas for Warren was around before Trump. It most likely was. As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump. I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It most likely was. As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump. I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own. yeah he's more of a Tonto.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It most likely was. As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump. I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own. I don't think Trump is ignorant and stupid and nothing else. He is an adult man who grew up in America surrounded by people with varying degrees of cultural literacy. I don't think he grew up so bubble-wrapped that he could never have heard of any of the things we've all heard of. Surely he'd heard of Pocahontas the Indian maiden before, if for no other reason then he saw a porno featuring the character. If anyone in America had ever heard of one and only one Indian woman's name, it's Pocahontas, just like if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto. And people have defintiely heard of Indian names, because this is America and if nothing else, we've all watched TV and movies, and Pocahontas is a big part of the whole Plymouth Rock/Thanksgiving story. I'd bet Trump came up with the nickname, and I don't happen to think it's particularly clever, which itself tracks. Edited June 14, 2023 by chasfh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, pfife said: for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary. Its the kernel of truth that makes the ones that work stick. In this case there may be some generational effect. Voters old enough have watched and remembered the WhiteWater hearings (and esp GOP voters) would recall that Hillary was the stocking horse for some of that good-old-boy graft in Arkansas that funneled money to the Guv'ner. The one in particular that I still remember was that payoffs from Tyson (as in Chicken) were laundered through an options account held by Hillary rather than Bill. Now she maybe have been a semi-unwitting 'victim' of Bill having put her up to it, much like Warren was of what her family had told her - but those are the kinds of things that bite in the asz years later if you get to where the lights are brigher. I still maintain the if Hillary had really been the total political mercenary and all in on wanting to be President, she should have jettisoned Bill. It would have allowed her to walk away from a lot of political baggage. Edited June 14, 2023 by gehringer_2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. I'm not sure how moderate she is, however for the issues she pushes the most, which I tend to disagree with her end point views the most, I actually wouldn't mind her in charge. I still have my conservative roots and want to see businesses rewarded for doing good work, but the pendulum has swung to far and we need more minds like Warren correcting some of those issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, pfife said: for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary. My subjective opinion is that his best one is the little used "Tiny D". Lil Marco was pretty funny too. “Tiny D” and “Pudding Fingers” for DeSantis made me chuckle a little bit. I hate to admit that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, chasfh said: Pocahontas, just like if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto. And people have defintiely heard of Indian names, because this is America and if nothing else, we've all watched TV and movies, and Pocahontas is a big part of the whole Plymouth Rock/Thanksgiving story. I'd bet Trump came up with the nickname, and I don't happen to think it's particularly clever, which itself tracks. Interesting since Pocahontas was nowhere near the Massachusetts Colony. All most people know is the Dinsneyfied version. And as I just recently learned Pocahontas wasn't her real name. Edited June 14, 2023 by CMRivdogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, chasfh said: ... if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto... If I had to recall one, and only one Indian man's name, it would be Geronimo. Of course, that's not his real name either. Edited June 14, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jz68 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 We've now reached the part where Trump starts throwing everyone else under the bus in hopes of saving his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 Ha ha ha! What's this "we" s*** Kemosabe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerbomb13 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 How anyone close to Trump shows any loyalty at all is beyond me. He’s hasn’t he thrown under the bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Tigerbomb13 said: How anyone close to Trump shows any loyalty at all is beyond me. He’s hasn’t he thrown under the bus? Hopefully Nauta gets to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 3 hours ago, jz68 said: We've now reached the part where Trump starts throwing everyone else under the bus in hopes of saving his ass. Also, please please please please please keep Judge Cannon on the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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