The Idiocracy of Donald J. Trump

[Tiger337]

  On 6/13/2023 at 7:55 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

Can Native Americans run for President?

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When people keep pointing to the same mistake year after year, you may be doing something right.  

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 6/13/2023 at 11:55 PM, Tiger337 said:

When people keep pointing to the same mistake year after year, you may be doing something right.  

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I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. 

[Tiger337]

  On 6/14/2023 at 12:22 AM, Tigeraholic1 said:

I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. 

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I don't know why she did it either, but It's been way overblown.  She was already a very qualified professor with lots of publications before she even checked off the Native American box.  I don't know what the benefit of doing it was.  

[VegasTiger]

Unless you've done a test, all we have to go on is what our families told us. That said, she shouldn't have checked that box probably. I do think she believed it through.

[chasfh]

  On 6/14/2023 at 12:22 AM, Tigeraholic1 said:

I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. 

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She didn’t make it up. She grew up being told her family has Cherokee in their background, and like all children would, she believed it. She didn’t just fabricate it for woke points while running for office—she contributed to an American Indian cookbook in the 80s, so this has been part of her life all her life.

If anything, her sin was to lean into that early in her career for apparent advantage, which is disputed but still smells funny; and for the wrong-headed and ham-fisted decision to utilize DNA testing to try to prove her bona fides, and the Nation told her so at the time. To her credit, she saw her error pretty quickly and apologized, and the Nation accepted that apology.

I don’t think any right-wingers can be expected to move on from this, because of Tiger337’s implication that they got nothing else on her, but I think it’s pretty certain that she is in the clear on this issue because she isn’t trying to gaslight everybody about it.

[Tigeraholic1]

  On 6/14/2023 at 1:10 PM, chasfh said:

She didn’t make it up. She grew up being told her family has Cherokee in their background, and like all children would, she believed it. She didn’t just fabricate it for woke points while running for office—she contributed to an American Indian cookbook in the 80s, so this has been part of her life all her life.

If anything, her sin was to lean into that early in her career for apparent advantage, which is disputed but still smells funny; and for the wrong-headed and ham-fisted decision to utilize DNA testing to try to prove her bona fides, and the Nation told her so at the time. To her credit, she saw her error pretty quickly and apologized, and the Nation accepted that apology.

I don’t think any right-wingers can be expected to move on from this, because of Tiger337’s implication that they got nothing else on her, but I think it’s pretty certain that she is in the clear on this issue because she isn’t trying to gaslight everybody about it.

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This. 

The bully act by Trump of giving everyone stupid nicknames are childish and dumb. HOWEVER "Pochantas" still makes me chuckle.

[pfife]

Over the last few days, the republic sharty callers have been arguing that the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the power to keep these documents.   Literally the opposite is true. 

[chasfh]

  On 6/14/2023 at 1:43 PM, pfife said:

Over the last few days, the republic sharty callers have been arguing that the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the power to keep these documents.   Literally the opposite is true. 

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"Hey, but George Washington took documents home with him after he left office ..."

[chasfh]

  On 6/14/2023 at 1:41 PM, Tigeraholic1 said:

This. 

The bully act by Trump of giving everyone stupid nicknames are childish and dumb. HOWEVER "Pochantas" still makes me chuckle.

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"Pocahontas" makes me roll my eyes. It's middle school stuff.

[pfife]

for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary.    My subjective opinion is that his best one is the little used "Tiny D".   Lil Marco was pretty funny too.

[pfife]

I think Pocahantas for Warren was around before Trump.  

[Tiger337]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:03 PM, pfife said:

I think Pocahantas for Warren was around before Trump.  

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It most likely was.  As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump.  I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own.  

[oblong]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:21 PM, Tiger337 said:

It most likely was.  As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump.  I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own.  

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yeah he's more of a Tonto.... 

 

[chasfh]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:21 PM, Tiger337 said:

It most likely was.  As sophomoric as it is, I actually think it's a little too sophisticated for Trump.  I don't think the name Pocahontas would be something he'd come up with on his own.  

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I don't think Trump is ignorant and stupid and nothing else. He is an adult man who grew up in America surrounded by people with varying degrees of cultural literacy. I don't think he grew up so bubble-wrapped that he could never have heard of any of the things we've all heard of. Surely he'd heard of Pocahontas the Indian maiden before, if for no other reason then he saw a porno featuring the character. If anyone in America had ever heard of one and only one Indian woman's name, it's Pocahontas, just like if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto. And people have defintiely heard of Indian names, because this is America and if nothing else, we've all watched TV and movies, and Pocahontas is a big part of the whole Plymouth Rock/Thanksgiving story.

I'd bet Trump came up with the nickname, and I don't happen to think it's particularly clever, which itself tracks.

Edited June 14, 2023 by chasfh

[gehringer_2]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:02 PM, pfife said:

for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary.

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Its the kernel of truth that makes the ones that work stick. In this case  there may be some generational effect. Voters old enough have watched and remembered the WhiteWater hearings (and esp GOP voters) would recall that Hillary was the stocking horse for some of that good-old-boy graft in Arkansas that funneled money to the Guv'ner. The one in particular that I still remember was that payoffs from Tyson (as in Chicken) were laundered through an options account held by Hillary rather than Bill.

Now she maybe have been a semi-unwitting 'victim' of Bill having put her up to it, much like Warren was of what her family had told her  - but those are the kinds of things that bite in the asz years later if you get to where the lights are brigher.

I still maintain the if Hillary had  really been the total political mercenary and all in on wanting to be President, she should have jettisoned Bill. It would have allowed her to walk away from a lot of political baggage.

Edited June 14, 2023 by gehringer_2

[ewsieg]

  On 6/14/2023 at 12:22 AM, Tigeraholic1 said:

I like her actually. She is a very intelligent and moderate politician. Why she made that up I just don’t understand. 

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I'm not sure how moderate she is, however for the issues she pushes the most, which I tend to disagree with her end point views the most, I actually wouldn't mind her in charge.  I still have my conservative roots and want to see businesses rewarded for doing good work, but the pendulum has swung to far and we need more minds like Warren correcting some of those issues. 

[Tigerbomb13]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:02 PM, pfife said:

for its sheer effectiveness, the best nickname he ever gave was Crooked Hillary.    My subjective opinion is that his best one is the little used "Tiny D".   Lil Marco was pretty funny too.

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“Tiny D” and “Pudding Fingers” for DeSantis made me chuckle a little bit. I hate to admit that. 

[CMRivdogs]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:29 PM, chasfh said:

Pocahontas, just like if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto. And people have defintiely heard of Indian names, because this is America and if nothing else, we've all watched TV and movies, and Pocahontas is a big part of the whole Plymouth Rock/Thanksgiving story.

I'd bet Trump came up with the nickname, and I don't happen to think it's particularly clever, which itself tracks.

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Interesting since Pocahontas was nowhere near the Massachusetts Colony. All most people know is the Dinsneyfied version.

And as I just recently learned Pocahontas wasn't her real name.
 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by CMRivdogs

[1984Echoes]

  On 6/14/2023 at 2:29 PM, chasfh said:

... if anyone ever heard of one Indian man's name, it's Tonto...

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If I had to recall one, and only one Indian man's name, it would be Geronimo.

Of course, that's not his real name either.

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by 1984Echoes

[jz68]

We've now reached the part where Trump starts throwing everyone else under the bus in hopes of saving his ass.  

 

 

[Jim Cowan]

Ha ha ha!  What's this "we" s*** Kemosabe?

[Tigerbomb13]

How anyone close to Trump shows any loyalty at all is beyond me. He’s hasn’t he thrown under the bus?

[romad1]

  On 6/15/2023 at 2:54 PM, Tigerbomb13 said:

How anyone close to Trump shows any loyalty at all is beyond me. He’s hasn’t he thrown under the bus?

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Hopefully Nauta gets to this point. 

[chasfh]

  On 6/15/2023 at 1:00 PM, jz68 said:

We've now reached the part where Trump starts throwing everyone else under the bus in hopes of saving his ass.  

 

 

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Also, please please please please please keep Judge Cannon on the case.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]