Motown Bombers Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, mtutiger said: The important thing to remember in all the obfuscation and excuses and the whataboutisms coming from the Rs is this: If any of us made off with any of these documents, we would spend the rest of our lives in jail. Donald Trump will not. Didn't Reality Winner get like 5 years for releasing an intelligence report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, oblong said: The problem is too many of the voters, while claiming they don't like the crazies, will still vote for them because the D is a "socialist" or something. We need to stop giving credence to people that "too far to the left" is a serious concern that justifies voting for a MAGA candidate over a more progressive or liberal one. If one candidate wants universal healthcare through a government run system, a tax on carbon, equity for Trans people, and law that regulate big business earnings and another candidates is being supported by someone who says Jews have no place in the conservative movement, thinks raped women should be forced be bear a child, wants to seize voting machines, and believes Christianity should be a national religion, we cannot continue to accept those as equal concerns. We cannot allow the bothsidesm argument, nor be scared off from endorsing certain candidates because some random group of ignorant voters out there find them "too far to the left". We need to buck that argument and develop a good retort to it because if we give credence to that and allow people to scapegoat based on that argument, we're failing our democracy, our country, and the majority of people. Conversely, progressives need to reckon with the whole argument of "I didn't get everything I wanted, therefore I'm not voting" way of thinking. If one, more center or center-left candidate is giving you most of what you want or a decent amount and isn't going around railing against gays, trans people, Jews, minorities, women, the FBI, democratic values, then you have to vote for that person. We cannot allow progressive escapism either. Edited August 12, 2022 by Mr.TaterSalad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 It just occurred to me, covfefe was the nuclear launch code. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 34 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Just a reminder the so called sensible Meijer endorsed the MAGA cult candidate. I saw that also, but more recently there is this: https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2022/08/defeated-rep-peter-meijer-doesnt-plan-to-endorse-republican-john-gibbs-for-congress.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Didn't Reality Winner get like 5 years for releasing an intelligence report? I remember how many people bought the Russian bull about Snowden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, smr-nj said: can a reporter please ask one of these idiots, “for what purpose would the former president be taking these documents, any of these documents, to his place of residence?“ WHaT IS THE REASON FOR TAKING ANY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT??? For Christ sakes. But Hilary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RatkoVarda Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Back to using "Hussein" ; so 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: Back to using "Hussein" ; so 2016. Maybe nobody told Donnie that what's in a 'Presidential Library' isn't the stuff a President took home with him. Edited August 12, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 59 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: But Hilary... To be honest, that was my issue with Hillary, not so much that it was done, but why was it done. What did she want control over and why? I always felt those were legitimate questions and my guess is all MAGA folks would agree with me. Funny now though, guessing instead of asking why, they'll be playing the legal line claiming as POTUS, he can't illegally disclose confidential information as he is allowed to. I know there is still a process, but he may have a legal standing (assuming that is what this search was for). That said, why? That is the question that should be asked by everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ewsieg said: To be honest, that was my issue with Hillary, not so much that it was done, but why was it done. What did she want control over and why? I always felt those were legitimate questions and my guess is all MAGA folks would agree with me. Funny now though, guessing instead of asking why, they'll be playing the legal line claiming as POTUS, he can't illegally disclose confidential information as he is allowed to. I know there is still a process, but he may have a legal standing (assuming that is what this search was for). That said, why? That is the question that should be asked by everyone. Hillary wanted to be able to conduct her off the books activities without being subject to records retention. Why she didn't just keep a personal e-mail account I don't know - maybe it's not allowed? (I doubt that). In any case, in the end I blame the trouble Hillary's email issue caused for the Dems on Obama. It's simply not a credible argument that the administration didn't know Hillary's business mail was coming from a non-DoS account. So they had to have known but decided to give her a pass. And that decision had to come from the White House - not credible it could have been any other way. Obama or his CoS either being lax or not wanting to push the issue or even because maybe he figured she might eventually be hoist on her own petard and didn't mind if it happened. Whatever the reason, it turned to be a bad decision for the Admin and the repercussions ended up giving us Trump. Edited August 12, 2022 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Rose Law Firm billing records? "Oh wait... they're right here in the residence... we had NO idea..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutiger Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Consider the source, but apparently Brietbart got a hold of the warrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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romad1 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 My son’s comment about Trump trying to whatabout Obama: “it’s amazing when you are immediately ratioed by the National Archives “ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Espionage Capital crime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romad1 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 hours ago, oblong said: Espionage Capital crime Agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 hours ago, oblong said: Espionage Capital crime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I mean, we know the penalty for Treason, don't we? But, there could be video of him violating a 10 year old and his supporters wouldn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smr-nj Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 New Lies. And when those don’t stick to the wall, just make up more new lies. Etcetera. Totally shameless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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