romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 11:04 AM, Tiger337 said: It's not going to get worse. He is going to get away with it just like he has gotten away with everything his entire life. Expand well he didn't win in 2020 so that was one event where he didn't get away with something. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 11:27 AM, romad1 said: well he didn't win in 2020 so that was one event where he didn't get away with something. Expand Yes, not winning elections is the only thing that might happen. However, I think he would have won in 2020 if it were not for Covid. He also is probably making more money off his loss than he would have being president. He'll win the Republican nomination in 2024 and will win the general election if the economy is not good which is a strong possibility. Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 I can't make anyone who doesn't have access to SAPs understand the gravity of this. But, Imagine he gave up the Overlord plans to Hitler on May 6 and allowed Hitler to plan the defense of Northern France without worrying about the Pas de Calais. Imagine he gave the atomic bomb plans to Hitler and the Japanese warlords. Imagine he told the North Koreans that Macarthur was going to land at Incheon. Quote
pfife Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 10:40 AM, romad1 said: Throw away the key Expand that's a lot more than they found Hillary had taken. Quote
oblong Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 12:15 PM, romad1 said: I can't make anyone who doesn't have access to SAPs understand the gravity of this. But, Imagine he gave up the Overlord plans to Hitler on May 6 and allowed Hitler to plan the defense of Northern France without worrying about the Pas de Calais. Imagine he gave the atomic bomb plans to Hitler and the Japanese warlords. Imagine he told the North Koreans that Macarthur was going to land at Incheon. Expand That's all true. But as long as people like Rubio, Cruz, McCarthy, Tucker, Hannity, etc. see nothing wrong with it then so will 40% of the public and another 8% will say "Yeah that's bad but we can't have 'socialism' so we still have to vote for the GOP". If Trump is convicted he'll get pardoned by Pres. DeSantis. Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 12:56 PM, oblong said: That's all true. But as long as people like Rubio, Cruz, McCarthy, Tucker, Hannity, etc. see nothing wrong with it then so will 40% of the public and another 8% will say "Yeah that's bad but we can't have 'socialism' so we still have to vote for the GOP". If Trump is convicted he'll get pardoned by Pres. DeSantis. Expand Worse still will be that people lower in the food chain will routinely leak sensitive program materials with this precedence. So, expect that ISIS nuclear attack on NYC to be a matter of time. Quote
oblong Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 12:59 PM, romad1 said: Worse still will be that people lower in the food chain will routinely leak sensitive program materials with this precedence. So, expect that ISIS nuclear attack on NYC to be a matter of time. Expand and the GOP will blame the Democrat Mayor of NYC. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 12:56 PM, oblong said: That's all true. But as long as people like Rubio, Cruz, McCarthy, Tucker, Hannity, etc. see nothing wrong with it then so will 40% of the public and another 8% will say "Yeah that's bad but we can't have 'socialism' so we still have to vote for the GOP". If Trump is convicted he'll get pardoned by Pres. DeSantis. Expand Is there anything stopping Trump from being president if he is convicted? You would think it's not allowed, but it might be one of those things that is just assumed. I don't know. Quote
oblong Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 Right it was never considered that a major party would be so compromised to actually nominate someone convicted for that. Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 1:37 PM, oblong said: Right it was never considered that a major party would be so compromised to actually nominate someone convicted for that. Expand They know Trump can't win a general election anymore. They are just playing along for the $ from the rubes. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 It would be hard to run for president if he is incarcerated. Quote
Hongbit Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 1:39 PM, romad1 said: They know Trump can't win a general election anymore. They are just playing along for the $ from the rubes. Expand The GOP have totally screwed themselves. Trump has to run because the grift is just too good for him to pass up. It’s hundreds of millions more he can steal from his maga cult. If the GOP doesn’t get behind him as their candidate, he’s just going to run as an independent and will end up getting more votes than DeSantis or any other conservative. Can you imagine an election where the Republican Party candidate finishes 3rd? It’s really in their best interest to see Trump go down and find a way to rally his cult around DeSantis but they are either too stupid to realize it or too simped to do anything to stop it. Quote
The Ronz Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 To my knowledge, yes you can run for President from prison. Doesn't anyone remember Eugene V. Debs Kazoo Night at Tiger Stadium? Eugene V. Debs was a Socialist who ran for President several times. The last time, in 1920, he ran while in prison. Quote
smr-nj Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 12:59 PM, romad1 said: Worse still will be that people lower in the food chain will routinely leak sensitive program materials with this precedence. So, expect that ISIS nuclear attack on NYC to be a matter of time. Expand …. And most of the country won’t care, because it’s New York City, and who cares about those people anyway. … and, this, too. ( although even if it was a Republican mayor, he would be a RINO) On 8/23/2022 at 1:01 PM, oblong said: and the GOP will blame the Democrat Mayor of NYC. Expand Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 2:14 PM, smr-nj said: …. And most of the country won’t care, because it’s New York City, and who cares about those people anyway. … and, this, too. ( although even if it was a Republican mayor, he would be a RINO) Expand They would care because the one thing they fear more than liberals is foreigners. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 1:39 PM, romad1 said: They know Trump can't win a general election anymore. They are just playing along for the $ from the rubes. Expand I hope that's true, but I am not convinced. If the economy gets screwed up enough, I think it can happen. Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 2:20 PM, Tiger337 said: I hope that's true, but I am not convinced. If the economy gets screwed up enough, I think it can happen. Expand Obviously you can't be complacent. Their plans to thwart democratic elections are proof of their desperation though. Quote
chasfh Posted August 23, 2022 Author Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/15/2022 at 5:11 PM, Tiger337 said: For money. He doesn't believe there would ever be a need to be exiled. He's gotten away with everything his entire life and this is no different (he's probably not wrong). Expand I think Trump being exiled would be one of the worst outcomes I can imagine because he will be able to resuming throwing bombs via social media with impunity, which I believe will make him much more effective a leader of the Overthrow America movement than he can be here in America. He won’t do hard time in Leavenworth, either, obviously. I think the best outcome, assuming he is found guilty of the capital crimes we all assume he engaged in, is house arrest at one of Jeffrey Epstein’s island properties, one that’s been completely denuded of all discretionary communications capability, and that is beyond the ability of red hats to make a pilgrimage to. The United States must maintain chain of custody of a convicted Trump. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 Quite familiar with Boones Mill. It's a notorious speed trap. Also gateway to the illegal moonshine trade of SW VA Quote
mtutiger Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) On 8/23/2022 at 2:40 PM, romad1 said: Obviously you can't be complacent. Their plans to thwart democratic elections are proof of their desperation though. Expand Just my two cents, but it's always worth remembering that not all 74 million who voted for Trump are the "cult" Trump folks. And when you look at the polling results in terms of approval of the FBI warrant (which runs somewhere between 55-60% approve depending on which poll one looks at), it stands to reason that he'd likely bleed support on the margins if he's indicted and/or incarcerated for any reason. I know there's a tendency to think that everything that happens benefits Trump in some way or another, but I doubt that incarceration would benefit him at all. Particularly with moderates and suburban voters. Edited August 23, 2022 by mtutiger Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 5:07 PM, mtutiger said: Just my two cents, but it's always worth remembering that not all 74 million who voted for Trump are the "cult" Trump folks. And when you look at the polling results in terms of approval of the FBI warrant (which runs somewhere between 55-60% approve depending on which poll one looks at), it stands to reason that he'd likely bleed support on the margins if he's indicted and/or incarcerated for any reason. I know there's a tendency to think that everything that happens benefits Trump in some way or another, but I doubt that incarceration would benefit him at all. Particularly with moderates and suburban voters. Expand Yeah, definitely would be strong in a GOP primary rigged for his victory by corrupted party hacks. But, in a general election with all his negatives and many more people paying attention and wary of his shenanigans now. He lost in 2020 while the rest of the GOP had a decent day. That should tell you a lot about his brand. Quote
mtutiger Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 5:11 PM, romad1 said: Yeah, definitely would be strong in a GOP primary rigged for his victory by corrupted party hacks. But, in a general election with all his negatives and many more people paying attention and wary of his shenanigans now. He lost in 2020 while the rest of the GOP had a decent day. That should tell you a lot about his brand. Expand It may not make much of a difference in terms of control of the House / Senate when things are all said and done (given that it's a midterm with Ds in power), but the disconnect between the wants/desires of GOP Primary voters and general election voters in general is playing out in real time as we speak. Certainly one doesn't want to take credit away from Fetterman, Warnock, Ryan or even Barnes, but no doubt their candidacies have been aided by the GOP Primary voter elevating less than ideal candidates to compete for general election votes. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 1:37 PM, oblong said: Right it was never considered that a major party would be so compromised to actually nominate someone convicted for that. Expand nothing in the Constitution says you have to let him out if he won, and this is an original text SCOTUS. 2 Quote
romad1 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/23/2022 at 2:14 PM, smr-nj said: …. And most of the country won’t care, because it’s New York City, and who cares about those people anyway. … and, this, too. ( although even if it was a Republican mayor, he would be a RINO) Expand Like Rudy Giuliani Quote
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