Tigermojo Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 49 minutes ago, casimir said: They want a veteran presence to handle arguing balls and strikes with RoboUmp. *robot voice* You...are....outta...here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 hours ago, KL2 said: I think its probably more just alate in the cycle hire. Any decent candidate has been snatched up by this time. So its go with someone you don't know at all or at least the one you know. I hope McClendon doesn't mess up any actual prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAbbott Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, chasfh said: I hope McClendon doesn't mess up any actual prospects. I would trust any member of this forum to do a far superior job. Legendary Lloyd will be a disaster. Heck, there is probably a couple of strippers in Toledo who would be a better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: I would trust any member of this forum to do a far superior job. Legendary Lloyd will be a disaster. Heck, there is probably a couple of strippers in Toledo who would be a better choice. Strippers? Of note, the former Brenda’s Body Shop (which was not an auto related joint) is now the site of the pizza place on the LF corner. You may be on to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Keith Law came out with his top 100 this morning. Riley Greene was #3 and Tork was #4. They were the only Tigers that made the list. Kind if surprising that Jobe didn't make it but Law is notoriously skeptical of HS SP's who haven't thrown a pitch yet. Marcello Mayer was #18. Despite all of the supposed signs of improvement on the development side it looks like the Tigers are still struggling to come up with prospects from either the draft (beyond first round picks) or Latin America. AA has been in charge for 6 years now and the Tigers are still behind many other teams developmentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cowan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 7:49 PM, casimir said: Strippers? Of note, the former Brenda’s Body Shop (which was not an auto related joint) is now the site of the pizza place on the LF corner. You may be on to something. Other communities have noticed this effect too, that after Jim Adduci leaves there is only enough business for about half of the strip clubs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Stanley70 said: Keith Law came out with his top 100 this morning. Riley Greene was #3 and Tork was #4. They were the only Tigers that made the list. Kind if surprising that Jobe didn't make it but Law is notoriously skeptical of HS SP's who haven't thrown a pitch yet. Marcello Mayer was #18. Despite all of the supposed signs of improvement on the development side it looks like the Tigers are still struggling to come up with prospects from either the draft (beyond first round picks) or Latin America. AA has been in charge for 6 years now and the Tigers are still behind many other teams developmentally. You are validating Law. Any top 100 list that doesn’t include Jobe should be dismissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: You are validating Law. Any top 100 list that doesn’t include Jobe should be dismissed. I tend to agree that it is silly to downgrade him so much simply due to him be a HS SP. Baseball America had him at 79 so it isn't that for outside the box though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Stanley70 said: I tend to agree that it is silly to downgrade him so much simply due to him be a HS SP. Baseball America had him at 79 so it isn't that for outside the box though. I don’t get the risk with a HS pitcher. He’s going to get better medical attention/technology and coaching vs what he’d get in college, where there is more pressure to win and pitchers might end up throwing more pitches than they probably should. Jobe is going to be treated with kid gloves. I’m excited about the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Hopefully guys like Keith, Pacheco, Workman, Santana, Dingler etc. Can take big steps forward this year, if they stay stagnant or God forbid get worse the system could look like one of the bottom 5 in baseball once Greene and Tork get promoted. Of course we would have a bunch of young and hopefully All Star caliber players on the big league roster so it wouldnt be as pressing if the system was bad. Kinda like the White Sox the few years. There system dropped to the bottom but it really wasn't a major deal cause they had all the young star players on the team. Edited January 31, 2022 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious D Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: Hopefully guys like Keith, Pacheco, Workman, Santana, Dingler etc. Can take big steps forward this year, if they stay stagnant or God forbid get worse the system could look like one of the bottom 5 in baseball once Greene and Tork get promoted. Of course we would have a bunch of young and hopefully All Star caliber players on the big league roster so it wouldnt be as pressing if the system was bad. Kinda like the White Sox the few years. There system dropped to the bottom but it really wasn't a major deal cause they had all the young star players on the team. We also have some nice arms coming—Wentz, Flores, Brieske, Hill and the new draftees—Madden, Smith, Tanner K, Mattison, etc… Maybe no one elite (besides Jobe), but many guys who could be serviceable, which is probably all you should count on outside of your 1st rounders. I don’t mind a middle of the pack minor system when you have a young core in the majors that should be key contributors for years (Mize, Skubal, Manning, Greene, Tork, — maybe Baddoo, Hill, Cameron, Soto, Funk). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33138638/top-100-mlb-players-all-nos-100-51 stupid list (bryce harper?), but lots of tigers on it. cant wait to see how they underrate cobb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 speaking of Cobb... when is Ken Burns going to do another inning to retract his stuff on Cobb? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 the part where they called him an embarrassment to baseball because of lies al stump wrote in a book? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Gehringer is already criminally underrated on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I just learned that David Ortiz was better than Kaline, Greenberg and Gehringer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 bryece harper better than charlie gehringer. ok. those lists are designed to make you mad to get clicks. and it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 then they get into the usual rating of negro league players, which is almost impossible to judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, buddha said: the part where they called him an embarrassment to baseball because of lies al stump wrote in a book? a book he wrote to pay gambling debts no less... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger337 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 2 hours ago, buddha said: then they get into the usual rating of negro league players, which is almost impossible to judge. I don't know if that's that much more difficult than ranking between eras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Cal Ripken seems criminally low to me. I wouldve put him in the top 30 and he's in the 60s after freaking David Ortiz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 i think ripken is actually overrated. he played a long long long time that helps his war, but he wasnt all that great for the second half of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I don't know if that's that much more difficult than ranking between eras. at least ranking between eras has generally the same universe of teams, games played, conditions of play, etc. there are a few differences in the ball over the years, but nothing like the differences between mlb and the negro leagues. and the pool of players for the negro leagues was much smaller. a lot of barnstorming more than a set league. not that there wasnt a set league for a lot of the history, but not for all of it. i dont think the two leagues were equal and that the mlb pool of players was much deeper, but both leagues were diminished by the absence of the other league's great players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, buddha said: i think ripken is actually overrated. he played a long long long time that helps his war, but he wasnt all that great for the second half of his career. I guess I never really looked at his numbers, I must be biased towards him cause when I first got into baseball he was the guy that was considered one of if not the best player at the time so as a child I of course bought into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I guess I never really looked at his numbers, I must be biased towards him cause when I first got into baseball he was the guy that was considered one of if not the best player at the time so as a child I of course bought into it. second half of his career ops+: 93, 97, 107, 91, 102, 93, 89, 144, 95, 70. he was average to below average for most of the decade outside of a fluke season toward the end when he was platooning and playing a lot of dh. look, great player for sure. but he's a bit overrated because of the ironman streak and how much chris berman slobbered all over him constantly. i dont know how much better he was than derek jeter in the final analysis. and i would definitely rank him below gehringer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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