General Tiger Discussion

[casimir]

  On 2/11/2022 at 12:50 PM, chasfh said:

The 1992 team was pretty much the platonic ideal: most runs scored, second-most runs yielded, second-to-last place.

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Pythag of 81-81 to go along with the actual of 75-87.

[oblong]

I remember the '93 team being in first place in June.  

[chasfh]

  On 2/11/2022 at 1:16 PM, casimir said:

Pythag of 81-81 to go along with the actual of 75-87.

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Better to be lucky than good.

[RandyMarsh]

Jesus I just went and looked at that 93 team and I didn't realize how stacked it was, I was just a kid at that time so I only paid attention to HRs but looking at their OPS+ and it's nuts. They had 6 guys with 400+PAs with 130+ OPS+ and then Fielder with a 124 OPS+. I'm sure there is a way to look it up but I don't know how to but I would like to know how many teams throughout history could say that if any. 

[casimir]

  On 2/11/2022 at 1:39 PM, RandyMarsh said:

Jesus I just went and looked at that 93 team and I didn't realize how stacked it was, I was just a kid at that time so I only paid attention to HRs but looking at their OPS+ and it's nuts. They had 6 guys with 400+PAs with 130+ OPS+ and then Fielder with a 124 OPS+. I'm sure there is a way to look it up but I don't know how to but I would like to know how many teams throughout history could say that if any. 

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Go look at the game by game results.  A couple of 20 run games in April.  About a dozen runs scored in each game of a 3 game series in Minnesota, and then again in 3 straight games in Baltimore.  Basically first place for 2 months straight until the wheels came off in June & July.

[Tiger337]

  On 2/11/2022 at 1:49 PM, casimir said:

Go look at the game by game results.  A couple of 20 run games in April.  About a dozen runs scored in each game of a 3 game series in Minnesota, and then again in 3 straight games in Baltimore.  Basically first place for 2 months straight until the wheels came off in June & July.

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Those 20 run games happened the first week I discovered the internet.  I was looking at news groups and there was a messageboard where people all over the country were talking about baseball.  And someone mentioned the Tigers.  It was amazing!  

[oblong]

  On 2/11/2022 at 2:59 PM, Tiger337 said:

Those 20 run games happened the first week I discovered the internet.  I was looking at news groups and there was a messageboard where people all over the country were talking about baseball.  And someone mentioned the Tigers.  It was amazing!  

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I was in college and walking down an outdoor concourse and a group of guys walked past me and were talking and one blurts out "Did y'all see what the Tigers did over the weekend".  It always stuck with me because I was excited to see people talking about them.

 

[Jim Cowan]

Another reason to like the '93 team was the return of the prodigal sun, Kirk Gibson, who at age 36 still had some gas left in the tank.

[lordstanley]

 

[buddha]

  On 2/11/2022 at 1:39 PM, RandyMarsh said:

Jesus I just went and looked at that 93 team and I didn't realize how stacked it was, I was just a kid at that time so I only paid attention to HRs but looking at their OPS+ and it's nuts. They had 6 guys with 400+PAs with 130+ OPS+ and then Fielder with a 124 OPS+. I'm sure there is a way to look it up but I don't know how to but I would like to know how many teams throughout history could say that if any. 

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unfortunately they also had to pitch and field...

[casimir]

  On 2/11/2022 at 1:35 PM, chasfh said:

Better to be lucky than good.

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That's on my resume.

[casimir]

  On 2/12/2022 at 2:12 AM, lordstanley said:

 

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The mentioned this during the Pistons' game last night.  It sounds like dimensia hit quickly and there have been strokes and other issues in the past year.

[casimir]

  On 2/11/2022 at 3:50 PM, Jim Cowan said:

Another reason to like the '93 team was the return of the prodigal sun, Kirk Gibson, who at age 36 still had some gas left in the tank.

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Gibson's defensive career is kind of silly.  Came up as an OF, shoved to RF despite a poor arm, then reclaimed a good chunk of CF duties later in his career.  I guess some of that is the design of the Tigers defensively which didn't exactly follow the Tom Emansky videos.

[Cruzer1]

Love Frank Beckmann. Best football announcer from this area, which is a tall task going up against Dan Miller. I've listened to Frank since the 70's.

[chasfh]

  On 2/12/2022 at 12:01 PM, casimir said:

The mentioned this during the Pistons' game last night.  It sounds like dimensia hit quickly and there have been strokes and other issues in the past year.

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Frank Beckmann was one of the voices of my young adulthood. His is one of those voices that is imprinted in my brain such that I can replay it pretty faithfully.

His wife was quoted in the Detroit News, I think, yesterday, as saying he probably wouldn’t make it to Monday. That’s a very unusual thing to read in the media, that the relative of someone says they are going to die in the next couple of days. I can’t recall when I last saw something like that.

Godspeed to him and his family.

Edited February 12, 2022 by chasfh

[chasfh]

  On 2/12/2022 at 12:06 PM, casimir said:

Gibson's defensive career is kind of silly.  Came up as an OF, shoved to RF despite a poor arm, then reclaimed a good chunk of CF duties later in his career.  I guess some of that is the design of the Tigers defensively which didn't exactly follow the Tom Emansky videos.

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Gibson’s career has one silly, weird aspect to it: he had a career WAR of 38.4, with three seasons over 5.0 (including a 6.5), along with one league MVP award—yet he never made even a single All-Star team.

Only two players in the All-Star era had a higher WAR without making a squad, and one of them was one of Gibson’s teammates on the 1993 Tigers! You know who I’m talking about …

[Tiger337]

  On 2/12/2022 at 12:07 PM, Cruzer1 said:

Love Frank Beckmann. Best football announcer from this area, which is a tall task going up against Dan Miller. I've listened to Frank since the 70's.

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A lot of people dislike Frank Beckman.  I think there were rumors about him being responsible for Harwell being fired, but that seems dubious.  I thought he was a good broadcaster.  He wasn't Harwell or Dickerson, but he wasn't rathbun/Rizzs either.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by Tiger337

[Tiger337]

  On 2/12/2022 at 2:47 PM, chasfh said:

Gibson’s career has one silly, weird aspect to it: he had a career WAR of 38.4, with three seasons over 5.0 (including a 6.5), along with one league MVP award—yet he never made even a single All-Star team.

Only two players in the All-Star era had a higher WAR without making a squad, and one of them was one of Gibson’s teammates on the 1993 Tigers! You know who I’m talking about …

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Tony Phillips, baseball's ultimate utility player.  

[Archie]

  On 2/12/2022 at 3:29 PM, Tiger337 said:

Tony Phillips, baseball's ultimate utility player.  

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Brad Ausmus wanted us to think it was Andrew Romine.  

[Tenacious D]

I associate Mr, Beckman with U of M, which were games I never listened to.  I vaguely remember his work with the Tigers.  Still, he’s a broadcasting legend in Michigan and I’m sorry to hear this.  

[Jim Cowan]

  On 2/12/2022 at 12:06 PM, casimir said:

Gibson's defensive career is kind of silly.  Came up as an OF, shoved to RF despite a poor arm, then reclaimed a good chunk of CF duties later in his career.  I guess some of that is the design of the Tigers defensively which didn't exactly follow the Tom Emansky videos.

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I think that he played center until Chester Lemon arrived.  

[Tenacious D]

  On 2/12/2022 at 4:43 PM, Jim Cowan said:

…until Chester Lemon arrived.  

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Mercifully.

[casimir]

  On 2/12/2022 at 4:43 PM, Jim Cowan said:

I think that he played center until Chester Lemon arrived.  

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Every time I think of Lemon, my mind's eye has him catching a lazy fly ball with his mitt just barely over his left shoulder, right about the height of his head.

[sabretooth]

  On 2/12/2022 at 6:12 PM, casimir said:

Every time I think of Lemon, my mind's eye has him catching a lazy fly ball with his mitt just barely over his left shoulder, right about the height of his head.

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Chet was a very good glove, one of the best I've sern game in game out for 10+ years.

[CMRivdogs]

  On 2/12/2022 at 2:38 PM, chasfh said:

Frank Beckmann was one of the voices of my young adulthood. His is one of those voices that is imprinted in my brain such that I can replay it pretty faithfully.

His wife was quoted in the Detroit News, I think, yesterday, as saying he probably wouldn’t make it to Monday. That’s a very unusual thing to read in the media, that the relative of someone says they are going to die in the next couple of days. I can’t recall when I last saw something like that.

Godspeed to him and his family.

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I think it's becoming a bit more common due to age. I doubt anybody remembers Bill Bishop who worked in Ann Arbor during the '60s and '70s. Did a bit of sports on WAAM, especially Basketball, EMU baseball and hockey. He moved to Hampton Roads in the late 70s to do minor league baseball and was a sports staple in the region. 

Just before he passed late last year something similar was announced. He died right after the Michigan/OSU game.

Prayers of peace for the family.