Dan Gilmore Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I would challenge that having USC gives you the west coast. Big fan base, yes, entire region, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 A brilliant idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, Hongbit said: A brilliant idea. They'll probably want a pregame parade, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, casimir said: They'll probably want a pregame parade, too. Dude, this is an incredible idea! Even cooler is since it’s the Rose Bowl parade maybe all the floats are made from rose petals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 So the new Big 10 could be.......... EAST RUTGERS MARYLAND CLEMSON PENN STATE OHIO STATE FLORIDA STATE MICHIGAN MICHIGAN STATE PURDUE INDIANA WEST WISCONSIN MINNESOTA IOWA NEBRASKA UCLA USC OREGON WASHINGTON ILLINOIS NORTHWESTERN seems unfair to the Wisco-Northwestern-Illinois to have to travel to the West Coast Could They Go................ Big Ten North Rutgers Maryland Penn State Ohio State Michigan Michigan State Wisconsin Minnesota Washington Oregon Big Ten South Clemson Florida State Purdue Indiana Illinois Northwestern Iowa Nebraska USC UCLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 A 20 team conference is uncharted territory. I don’t see the 2 big divisions working in anyone’s best interest. It’s just how we’ve always done things in the past so it’s natural to start there. I’m not seeing how it’s possible to avoid a massive disparity in conference SoS between teams. The problem is there is no easy solution. Ideally, there would be a 2 week, 4 team playoff to determine conference champion but how would that work and get scheduled. Could a professional style or 4 divisions of 5 teams work? Who knows but this will all have to get figured out and it’s no easy task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hongbit said: A 20 team conference is uncharted territory. I don’t see the 2 big divisions working in anyone’s best interest. It’s just how we’ve always done things in the past so it’s natural to start there. I’m not seeing how it’s possible to avoid a massive disparity in conference SoS between teams. The problem is there is no easy solution. Ideally, there would be a 2 week, 4 team playoff to determine conference champion but how would that work and get scheduled. Could a professional style or 4 divisions of 5 teams work? Who knows but this will all have to get figured out and it’s no easy task. I would think multiple divisions would be constructed to minimize travel for the less profitable / red number sports. Football scheduling is one thing. But baseball/softball? Heck, even basketball at two games/week. And do they make it such that something like Rutgers' mens' & womens' basketball teams travel together to play USC & UCLA on the same trip? I guess the one simplistic thing with basketball is you just play everybody once in the regular season (19 games total) before the tournament. So, how permanent is a 20 team conference? Do the non football sports eventually break down into smaller geographically based conferences, not just divisions? This has all just become such a silly farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Hongbit said: A 20 team conference is uncharted territory. I don’t see the 2 big divisions working in anyone’s best interest. It’s just how we’ve always done things in the past so it’s natural to start there. I’m not seeing how it’s possible to avoid a massive disparity in conference SoS between teams. The problem is there is no easy solution. Ideally, there would be a 2 week, 4 team playoff to determine conference champion but how would that work and get scheduled. Could a professional style or 4 divisions of 5 teams work? Who knows but this will all have to get figured out and it’s no easy task. We are getting to the point where the Big Ten has to consider speaking with the SEC about breaking away from the NCAA in football, breaking away from the current CFP, and making their own body. Like the AFC and NFC, meet in the CFP National Championship. We are already at the point with 16 in B1G and 16 in SEC to make a practical 32-team Major League College Football League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: We are already at the point with 16 in B1G and 16 in SEC to make a practical 32-team Major League College Football League. This. The biggest problem in college football today isn't figuring out how to divy up Div IA, it's that Div 1A is an obsolete construct. Edited August 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: We are getting to the point where the Big Ten has to consider speaking with the SEC about breaking away from the NCAA in football, breaking away from the current CFP, and making their own body. Like the AFC and NFC, meet in the CFP National Championship. We are already at the point with 16 in B1G and 16 in SEC to make a practical 32-team Major League College Football League. But then how are they going to schedule the Youngstown State's and Florida A&M's of the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, casimir said: But then how are they going to schedule the Youngstown State's and Florida A&M's of the world? If the Detroit Tigers can play Florida Southern College to start their season, why can't Michigan play West Bloomfield HS if they wanted to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley70 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Listening to the Mgo podacast last night. They believe that with the players inevitably getting a large chunk of the TV money in the near future, the conferences are making up the lost millions through expansion. The original BIG teams split TV money equally, but some of these teams newer to the conference may get negotiated down some. Brian's theory is that at some point OSU or Michingan is going to lose a top recruit to the $EC and come to the realization that they should not be splitting TV money with equally Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. And they will leave the Big Ten and go it alone and form their own nework to broadcast games. TV money has watered down the game day experience anyway to the point the big teams play about 3 competitive games a year and we now have games loaded with endless commercials. Conferences are in it for themselves and it is a matter of time before individual universites follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Stanley70 said: at some point OSU or Michingan is going to lose a top recruit to the $EC and come to the realization that they should not be splitting TV money with equally Northwestern, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. And they will leave the Big Ten and go it alone The conundrum for the UMs and OSUs is that they want to keep the market value of "Big Ten" but the conference bylaws don't allow for expelling members so if they want a new org, they can't remake the B10, they have to leave it behind. In the end, the only way the top schools in the power 5 can maximize their income is to stop sharing it with teams that do not suppport the value of their conference income shares and create a new league of more evenly matched schools, leaving the rest behind. The system survived the situation for a number of decades, but as noted, the diversion of income to the athletes has turned a situation that in the past was only a strain into one that is untenable. Edited August 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 reports that washington and oregon are being offered entrance with a reduced share. no word on stanford and cal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 how lucky is rutgers? and indiana? and northwestern? and maryland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, buddha said: how lucky is rutgers? and indiana? and northwestern? and maryland? Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas. Well, at least for this go round anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, casimir said: Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas. Well, at least for this go round anyway. exactly, that's basically what indiana would be without the big ten football draw. seriously, iowa, purdue, indiana, they should all be writing thank you letters to michigan, ohio state, and penn state for bringing them along for the ride. as these conferences become mega monoliths concerned with nothing but football cash, will it necessitate the break up of the big ten? will the michigans and ohio states of the world feel ok with dragging along their less monied brethren? or will they want all the cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, buddha said: exactly, that's basically what indiana would be without the big ten football draw. seriously, iowa, purdue, indiana, they should all be writing thank you letters to michigan, ohio state, and penn state for bringing them along for the ride. as these conferences become mega monoliths concerned with nothing but football cash, will it necessitate the break up of the big ten? will the michigans and ohio states of the world feel ok with dragging along their less monied brethren? or will they want all the cash? I think for now it's all in a holding pattern waiting to see if Congress does something to put the genie back in the bottle, and who knows, they might do something to push the current systems back into viability. But since Congress is a mess (can anyone in college sport be thrilled knowing their future is hanging on Tommy Tuberville's legislative chops?) and 2024 is like a wall beyond which the shape and function of the Congress can't be guessed, everyone is just muddling along with deck chair rearrangement on the USS NCAA-Titanic. Edited August 4, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edman85 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 8 hours ago, buddha said: how lucky is rutgers? and indiana? and northwestern? and maryland? Thank you for leaving Purdue off here, but I guess they are coming off a football division title (as fraudulent as that season may have been) and a men's basketball title sweep in conference (forget what happened in the tournament) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, buddha said: reports that washington and oregon are being offered entrance with a reduced share. no word on stanford and cal. Cal, Stanford, W State and OR State left holding the bag. UCal regents find themselves in a funny position, one foot on each side the outcome. Edited August 5, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 6 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Cal, Stanford, W State and OR State left holding the bag. UCal regents find themselves in a funny position, one foot on each side the outcome. Such odd times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, casimir said: Such odd times. Apparently UCal did not want to see the two schools in different conferences but UCLA was in such dire need of more $$ they had no choice but the let UCLA make the initial move. Now they are going to have to find a away to split to differenct conferences for revenue vs non-revenue sports. Track and swim programs (etc) can't afford to fly cross county for meets, not to mention a lot those athletes really are students and don't need the extra time committment. But what will probably happen instead is that more non-revenue sports will end up being downgraded to club status. Edited August 5, 2023 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 you think its bad now? wait until the saudis/qataris get involved. theyre buying up soccer teams, golf leagues, etc. dont think they wouldnt relish the chance to come in and do the same to this cash cow. start a new conference with florida state, north carolina etc? chump change compared to buying man united. become the sponsor of the new college football playoffs after the big ten and sec break away from the ncaa? who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casimir Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 So, how many power conferences exist in 2024? 2025? 2026? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 I'm not yet convinced that the B1G doesn't want Stanford and Cal to some extent. They check a lot of boxes for the conference, but I think they want them to join on the B1G's terms money-wise. I think they could be waiting to offer Stanford and Cal a really bad deal that they can't refuse. If UW and Oregon have to wait until 2030 for a full share, Stanford and Cal might have to wait until 2050, but they'd still snatch up the opportunity to avoid being left without a raft. I could also see them leveraging Stanford with Notre Dame. Coming to ND with a package like offering to add them along with Stanford, Cal, and Miami. If you have to, throw out a veiled threat of a ten-team conference schedule. As these conferences continue to expand, you would think schools will be less incentivized to play ND on ND's terms. Not to mention they'll make more money in the B1G, it's all about pride at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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