Religion

[chasfh]

the very people who supposedly had Christ killed in the first place

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I’m still hung up on “since what” because the book of Mathew says Jesus was born under Herod. But he died in 4 BCE.  The book of Luke says Jesus was born during the census of Quirinius which contradicts that and the Bible is infallible so….and we have a day of the week named after a Norse god  and some of our months so I guess we are not monotheists when it comes to tracking days and months. 

I got a couple more for you:

Even the good people at Christianity.com acknowledge that no one knows the actual date of Jesus's birth: https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/when-was-jesus-born.html. So demands that people who are not Christians honor Christ on Christmas, which is almost certainly not even his day of birth, has nothing to do with God or Jesus and everything to do with people who profess Christianity for cultural and political reasons.

How Easter is determined is even more wild: it moves alround the calendar because it falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the first day of vernal equinox, originally pegged to the lunisolar Hebrew calendar, followed by the very people who supposedly had Christ killed in the first place.

[CMRivdogs]

22 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Always the victim....

You should know, you play it well

[Tigeraholic1]

27 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

You should know, you play it well

Still can't give me a straight answer as to why Biden did not grant clemency to all 40 federal death row inmates? Did he and the pointy hat guy in vatican city work out a back door deal?

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Still can't give me a straight answer as to why Biden did not grant clemency to all 40 federal death row inmates? Did he and the pointy hat guy in vatican city work out a back door deal?

TBF ,It’s probably a little unfair to ask someone to be responsible for anyone else’s logic. I’d taken Biden over Trump 16 ways to Sunday but that doesn’t mean I can figure out what he’s been thinking on a lot of issues - eg: Israel, Ukraine, border policy- etc. Biden has seemed to have a problem being “all in.” Like he prefers to shade or trim at the margins on things. This fits the pattern. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

How Easter is determined is even more wild

I’ve always loved the church term for this: “Moveable Feast”

[Tigeraholic1]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

TBF ,It’s probably a little unfair to ask someone to be responsible for anyone else’s logic. I’d taken Biden over Trump 16 ways to Sunday but that doesn’t mean I can figure out what he’s been thinking on a lot of issues - eg: Israel, Ukraine, border policy- etc. Biden has seemed to have a problem being “all in.” Like he prefers to shade or trim at the margins on things. This fits the pattern. 

He just told me I was too dumb to understand (earlier in the week). I was just checking if he still felt that way or could conjur up an answer.

[CMRivdogs]

13 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

He just told me I was too dumb to understand (earlier in the week). I was just checking if he still felt that way or could conjur up an answer.

So happy to know I take up so much space in your thoughts. 

[ewsieg]

22 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

To me the one red line is admissions, if you take public money you must admit the ‘public’ without preference or exceptions. 

This issue for me isn't a 'hill to die on' so to speak, but obviously if you did go with a voucher system, part of a school accepting it could require certain state/federal requirements as well.

Oblongs objection is one you hear from the teachers unions the most, 'how do you improve something by taking away money'.  Well, that's part of the issue, they are not built to change and improvise quickly.  When Chevy and Ford weren't selling cars, they decided to make more SUV's, not petition the US government to force people to buy cars.  Our current education system is not producing for many reasons.  For the places that offer some type of private alternative, the numbers aren't promising, but for the places that haven't had to deal with a private alternative taking away money from public schools, they aren't looking great either.

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

This issue for me isn't a 'hill to die on' so to speak, but obviously if you did go with a voucher system, part of a school accepting it could require certain state/federal requirements as well.

Oblongs objection is one you hear from the teachers unions the most, 'how do you improve something by taking away money'.  Well, that's part of the issue, they are not built to change and improvise quickly.  When Chevy and Ford weren't selling cars, they decided to make more SUV's, not petition the US government to force people to buy cars.  Our current education system is not producing for many reasons.  For the places that offer some type of private alternative, the numbers aren't promising, but for the places that haven't had to deal with a private alternative taking away money from public schools, they aren't looking great either.

bottom line from I have gathered is that in MI the charter schools in  economically stressed areas don't do enough better than the public schools to believe they have any kind of core solution. The problem with urban schools - aside from often being tied to crumbling century old infrastructure, is the students. And the problem with the students is the social situation and to fix that you need better employment and security for about 15 yrs. The turnaround needs money, persistence and some level of political agreement on policy, and at least one of those always seems to be missing. 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by gehringer_2

[oblong]

24 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

bottom line from I have gathered is that in MI the charter schools in  economically stressed areas don't do enough better than the public schools to believe they have any kind of core solution. The problem with urban schools - aside from often being tied to crumbling century old infrastructure, is the students. And the problem with the students is the social situation and to fix that you need better employment and security for about 15 yrs. The turnaround needs money, persistence and some level of political agreement on policy, and at least one of those always seems to be missing. 

 

You took the words right out of my mouth. The conservatives want to blame the unions for a problem that is a societal one.  Conservatives need a bogeyman. Someone to blame. Whether it’s the teachers who only do that job “to get summers off” or “welfare parents” having too many kids and not feeding them.   As I said elsewhere they don’t want to deal with problems.  

[chasfh]

19 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

You should know, you play it well

Trolls just lash out, so they don't have to make sense.

[Tigeraholic1]

21 hours ago, oblong said:

You took the words right out of my mouth. The conservatives want to blame the unions for a problem that is a societal one.  Conservatives need a bogeyman. Someone to blame. Whether it’s the teachers who only do that job “to get summers off” or “welfare parents” having too many kids and not feeding them.   As I said elsewhere they don’t want to deal with problems.  

Almost all charter schools have folded in Indiana now that we have 100% voucher coverage. If they can not fulfill DOE Academic Standards they lose state funding. The flip side being Parochial schools are thriving. Most of them operate PK-12 chools and are much more established. They have managed my sons IEP great, his best friend has Cerebral Palsy and I think the Parochial school setting has helped him a ton. It helps most classrooms are limited to 18 students so kids that need the extra help have extra time with their teacher.