The 2022 Midterm Elections

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Just suspended?

So are these two Indiana officers going to arrest Trump, MTG, Lauren Bobert, and all the other idiots who are anti-cop with their anti-FBI rhetoric?

[ewsieg]

My co-workers friend just lost her election for Mayor of Knoxville to Kane of WWE fame.  Apparently it was a +25 Trump town when he ran in 2016.  Kane was an incumbent in an off year election where Dems control the White House and congress.  She lost by 10.  I know history points to a red wave, but right now I just don't see it right now.   

[pfife]

7 hours ago, ewsieg said:

My co-workers friend just lost her election for Mayor of Knoxville to Kane of WWE fame.  Apparently it was a +25 Trump town when he ran in 2016.  Kane was an incumbent in an off year election where Dems control the White House and congress.  She lost by 10.  I know history points to a red wave, but right now I just don't see it right now.   

probably after video surfaced of him choke slamming Paul Bearer

[pfife]

 

[romad1]

big if true

 

[pfife]

I support Fetterman so I better retweet!!!

[Mr.TaterSalad]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

big if true

 

Rolling Stone is saying their pulling money and ad buys from both Johnson in Wisconsin (hey that rhymes) and Masters in Arizona.  

[CMRivdogs]

Could you guys do us a favor and keep him occupied for a few years (not that the Lt Gov and AG are improvements). Maybe show him where he can get some great deals on fleece vests, possibly interest him in a partnership with the Pistons...Get him drunk on Ice Wine...

https://wjla.com/news/local/virginia-governor-glenn-youngkin-headed-michigan-campaign-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-tudor-dixon-gretchen-whitmer-november-election-support-state-convention-lansing-august-27-presidential-candidate

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WASHINGTON (7News) — Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin is headed to Michigan to campaign for Republican gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixon.

7News learned Tuesday morning that Youngkin will visit Michigan to campaign for Dixon who was recently nominated by the Michigan Republican Party to face off against Michigan Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer in the November election.

He seems to be on the road a lot lately...

[Motown Bombers]

No sympathies for Virginia. Fix your borders and keep Youngkin in Virginia. Virginia wanted more excitement than McAuliffe so keep the excitement within your borders. 

[romad1]

29 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Rolling Stone is saying their pulling money and ad buys from both Johnson in Wisconsin (hey that rhymes) and Masters in Arizona.  

this hurts credibility of the report because I think Ron Johnson vs. Mandela Barnes is a tight race because Barnes is not a great candidate in his own right.  

[Mr.TaterSalad]

A lot of my Democratic and progressive friends frown upon the Lincoln Project, but I have to say, both in 2020 and today, they have the best overall messaging and ads. I think this ad below does a great job showing the contrast of Biden and the MAGA crowd, anger or results, making your life better or constantly airing your grievances about people. This is the type of sharp contrast that Democrats need to be drawing upon in their ads and messaging for individual candidates. You can effectively capture people's frustrations with the way things are while still showing them that you are getting stuff done to make their lives better. It doesn't have to be either extreme anger or status quo.

 

[oblong]

I see the LP as an echo chamber.  And a grift opportunity for the owners.  It's nice but not really effective.  Just a circle jerk among like minded people that does nothing to move the needle.

 

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, oblong said:

I see the LP as an echo chamber.  And a grift opportunity for the owners.  It's nice but not really effective.  Just a circle jerk among like minded people that does nothing to move the needle.

 

right. The problem is that they are preaching to the converted. Their ads effectively make Dem talking points, but if those actually connected with the MAGA we wouldn't be where we are. Yesterday I heard a just a bit of an NPR segment done from Wyoming. This guy is in tears because after knowing the Cheney family for 3 generations, he is going to vote against Liz. It just made no sense, the guy wanted with every fiber of his being to vote for her, but the challenge to the self-identity he was attached to was so great it literally had him choked up to where he could hardly speak, but even that emotional impact wasn't enough to separate him from his cult.

Edited August 16, 2022 by gehringer_2

[romad1]

56 minutes ago, oblong said:

I see the LP as an echo chamber.  And a grift opportunity for the owners.  It's nice but not really effective.  Just a circle jerk among like minded people that does nothing to move the needle.

 

I think you undervalue the need for fellowship among the nevertrump world in a world where they need to rebuild their social networks.  

[Motown Bombers]

I find it interesting the usual progressives are on Twitter today demanding Biden erase student loan debt, the same day he will be signing the Inflation Reduction Act.

[RatkoVarda]

maybe he runs out of low hanging fruit, but he should keep doing this

[RatkoVarda]

i don't believe it but good to see

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

I think you undervalue the need for fellowship among the nevertrump world in a world where they need to rebuild their social networks.  

Well, it's great for them, it would be nice if there were enough of them to actually swing elections! It's damn depressing. Then again, when you can't swing a guy like Romney on things like renewable energy and expanding ACA, I'm not even sure there is any point in having 'Never-Trumpers'. It's fine to talk about how horrible Trump and his politics are, but if you are going to keep towing the exact same philosophies and policy lines that ultimately led to politics like Trumps, you  really are not helping.

Trump's demagoguery and disdain for democracy didn't just spring full grown from his brow, there was a GOP constituency conditioned for years with set of political beliefs that was leading inevitably up to this point. If the never Trumpers can't walk away from those, they will just leave the soil fertile for the next Trump. Some have, but almost none among the elected set where it would matter. Romney being exhibit one.

Edited August 16, 2022 by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

I've been saying for a while Never Trumpers don't exist.  Liz Cheney voted for Trump in 2020 when he made it clear he would not accept the results of the election. Even as late as 2019 she was calling the Democrats baby killers. They are Trumpers who are just too ashamed to be lumped in with MAGA. 

[romad1]

15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Well, it's great for them, it would be nice if there were enough of them to actually swing elections! It's damn depressing. Then again, when you can't swing a guy like Romney on things like renewable energy and expanding ACA, I'm not even sure there is any point in having 'Never-Trumpers'. It's fine to talk about how horrible Trump and his politics are, but if you are going to keep towing the exact same philosophies and policy lines that ultimately led to politics like Trumps, you  really are not helping.

Trump's demagoguery and disdain for democracy didn't just spring full grown from his brow, there was a GOP constituency conditioned for years with set of political beliefs that was leading inevitably up to this point. If the never Trumpers can't away from those, they will just leave the soil fertile for the next Trump. Some have, but too few.

They swung 2020 for Biden

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

They swung 2020 for Biden

LOL - Never any credit for the gals. I thought 2020 was suburban Moms! (!?!) 

Edited August 16, 2022 by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, romad1 said:

They swung 2020 for Biden

Well that's nice of them since they created Trump and helped him win in 2016. 

[gehringer_2]

I'm not going to knock any ally, but I want real allies. The guys at the Bulwark to the best they can by their own lights. They are mostly the true converts. But there is a whole GOP intellectual set that's still working on a serious case of hemorrhoids trying to sit on the edge they think divides Trump the man from the party beliefs that produced him. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

The people at The Lincoln Project are literally the very same people who found and made a star out of Sarah Palin. Nobody knew she existed until they went and found her. 

[gehringer_2]

15 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The people at The Lincoln Project are literally the very same people who found and made a star out of Sarah Palin. Nobody knew she existed until they went and found her. 

That's true, but I can give a guy like Steve Schmidt credit for repudiating his past as long as he is willing (as he seems to be) to actually now work against what he built then. It's the people like Mitt that I have no patience for, who want to sanctimoniously  repudiate Trump as some kind of isolated infection instead of the revealed core of what they believe produces.

Edited August 16, 2022 by gehringer_2